Brexit discussion

[Kursk]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

A rout for one side or the other in the referendum would have been far more preferable to the result we got imo, would've made what followed far less messy

The majority decision to Leave was a clear enough mandate; it's the subsequent remoaning that's confusing you (as is the intention).

But my real point is that the remoaning has buggered up the forum.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by heero_yuy

I'm sure it is in countries in receipt of EU largess.

From the research that followed in this thread, it looks like it was just the UK that was in favour of leaving.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

From the research that followed in this thread, it looks like it was just the UK that was in favour of leaving.

I think we will all see that changing once the UK leaves the EU and prospers.

The EU has nothing to offer as it stands. It needs to change or it will disintegrate.

The only real question is, how quickly?

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by Kursk

But my real point is that the remoaning has buggered up the forum.

Sounds like you want an echo chamber ! The public is split, shouldn't the forum reflect that ?

[1andrew1]

This to me is the Brexit problem.
https://twitter.com/lasancmt/status/955038018737442816

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

I think we will all see that changing once the UK leaves the EU and prospers.

The EU has nothing to offer as it stands. It needs to change or it will disintegrate.

The only real question is, how quickly?

One thing I think we underestimate in the UK, Remain or Leave, is the emotional aspect of the EU for those on the continent. Remainers largely focused on the economic aspect whereas Leavers focused no the control/legal aspect.

But we could be overlooking the importance of the concept on those on the continent. The EU was set-up by a generation who grew up in the aftermath of WW2 and is currently run by a generation who grew up in a Europe divided by the Berlin Wall.

Stuff like that might explain why the EU can be quite unpopular in these countries but support for leaving it be so low because it represents something more to them than just the institutions...

[1andrew1]

Meanwhile, back at the Coalition of Chaos
Brexiteers who accused MPs of 'selling out' over £39bn EU bill branded 'swivel-eyed' old men by senior minister

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Originally Posted by Damien

One thing I think we underestimate in the UK, Remain or Leave, is the emotional aspect of the EU for those on the continent. Remainers largely focused on the economic aspect whereas Leavers focused no the control/legal aspect.

But we could be overlooking the importance of the concept on those on the continent. The EU was set-up by a generation who grew up in the aftermath of WW2 and is currently run by a generation who grew up in a Europe divided by the Berlin Wall.

Stuff like that might explain why the EU can be quite unpopular in these countries but support for leaving it be so low because it represents something more to them than just the institutions...

I think you're right, Damien. To many on the Continent, the EU offers peace. For those in central and eastern Europe, it provides security from the threat of Russia and a badge of status.

When Old Boy says "The EU has nothing to offer as it stands" he is self-projecting. People in these countries believe otherwise.

[Kursk]

Originally Posted by Mr K

Sounds like you want an echo chamber ! The public is split, shouldn't the forum reflect that ?

How droll

Originally Posted by Kursk

How droll

But true

[Kursk]

Originally Posted by Hugh

But true

What's true?

[denphone]

Originally Posted by Mr K

Sounds like you want an echo chamber ! The public is split, shouldn't the forum reflect that ?

Its what you call democracy Mr K as most have accepted the referendum result but some want to reduce the debate to little more then what they want to say and not what they want to hear.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Kursk

The majority decision to Leave was a clear enough mandate; it's the subsequent remoaning that's confusing you (as is the intention).

But my real point is that the remoaning has buggered up the forum.

Hardly a rout was it and it wasn't a clear enough mandate for Nigel who considers 52% - 48% unfinished business.

I don't recall remoaners mobbing people of the forum because they'd had the temerity to post a few graphs or link to a newspaper that questioned the education levels of people that voted leave, still YMMV of course

[Kursk]

Originally Posted by Hugh

But true

What's true, Hugh?

Originally Posted by denphone

Its what you call democracy Mr K as most have accepted the referendum result but some want to reduce the debate to little more then what they want to say and not what they want to hear.

Is any of that true? Look up 'democracy' and 'majority' then look up 'referendum result' and 'acceptance' then look up 'gibberish'.

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Hardly a rout was it and it wasn't a clear enough mandate for Nigel who considers 52% - 48% unfinished business.

Nigel is self-promoting don't you think?

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

I don't recall remoaners mobbing people of the forum because they'd had the temerity to post a few graphs or link to a newspaper that questioned the education levels of people that voted leave, still YMMV of course

I don't recall that either?

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Kursk

What's true, Hugh?

Is any of that true? Look up 'democracy' and 'majority' then look up 'referendum result' and 'acceptance' then look up 'gibberish'.

Nigel is self-promoting don't you think?

I don't recall that either?

I sense selective amnesia: "What? ... I don't recall ..."

You seem to forget there are those that moaned and complained for 40 years after the vote to join the Common Market. I missed the post where you affirmed that any dissent after this vote was anti-democractic?

[Dave42]

Originally Posted by ianch99

I sense selective amnesia: "What? ... I don't recall ..."

You seem to forget there are those that moaned and complained for 40 years after the vote to join the Common Market. I missed the post where you affirmed that any dissent after this vote was anti-democractic?

hit nail on head remember the Brextremists only think one vote counts and no one has right to say anything about it