11-10-2016, 12:46
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Re: Post-Brexit Thread
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Originally Posted by Osem
I think we're more likely to be better off out than in and if I'm wrong about that well so what? You think the opposite and if you're wrong so what? We have our views, I've explained mine and that's the best I can do. If I had a crystal ball I'd have used it.
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Preciesly. I don't see the need to keep revisiting this question of why someone voted a certain way. For the most part it's pretty easy.
Those who voted Remain largely believed the economy would be harmed by an exit and judged it too high a price to pay for any gains of leaving the European Union - many of which Remainers would argue are exaggerated.
Those who voted to Leave largely believed the EU is too bloated and anti-democratic and judged the benefits of leaving to be worth the possible economic cost which many Leavers would argue are exaggerated.
Who is right or wrong there is depends on how you balance those questions as well as what the actual implication of leaving will be. Unless the economy truly plummets upon Leaving or it riches dithering heights the like of which we've never seen I suspect we'll never know for sure.
Still Remainers didn't vote that way because they love ' being controlled by an unelected, anti-democratic bureaucracy' and Leavers didn't vote Leave because they love the idea of risking the economy. Unfortunately the question was more complicated than that.
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11-10-2016, 13:52
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Re: Post-Brexit Thread
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Originally Posted by Ramrod
You're changing the subject. I asked the remainers here:
"What is it about being controlled by an unelected, anti-democratic bureaucracy that you remainers like so much? "
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We vote in European elections, they produce MEP, if you decide to vote for UKIP whose manifesto is not to contribute to European parliament that's down to the individuals but what do you expect if they vote for anti European parties and suddenly these MEP don't get involved
IF you talking about the other parliament, these get promoted in by the elected leaders of each country who in turn have been elected by the sovereign nations in their national elections. that's down to our PM
I cant recall (so not word for word)who said it but I recall in last European when there was rise of anti euro MEP elected that "some hard working MEP have now been replaced by some non working MEP whose aim is to make it fail and then can produce rhetoric of its failing"
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11-10-2016, 14:56
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Re: Post-Brexit Thread
The Treasury’s ‘Hard Brexit’ warning shows Project Fear isn’t over yet
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the Treasury is at it again. Today’s Times reveals yet another figure from the ministry of made-up Brexit statistics: leaving the EU could be as much as £66bn in lost tax – that’s £20bn more than Britain’s annual defence budget and almost 70 per cent of the amount spent on education each year. A lot of money by anyone’s calculation and a stark warning to Leavers celebrating Theresa May’s tough stance on Brexit. But, unfortunately, it comes from the same people who made what must be the least believed dossier to have come out of Downing Street since…well, the last dodgy dossier.
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11-10-2016, 15:24
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Re: Post-Brexit Thread
The £66 billion is over many years so the comparison to the defense budget is a bit superfluous, as is the fact that the defence budget is one of the smaller ticket items.
Incidentally one of the warnings from the 'dodgy dossier' was that Sterling would fall 15%.. As of today it's down 17%.
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11-10-2016, 19:44
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Re: Post-Brexit Thread
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Also, have you considered what happens IF as a country we got it wrong?
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It is wrong now ,you may not think overcrowded schools,NHS at breaking point,people unable to get doctors appointments and social housing given to migrants is fine and dandy but all the above failings are a direct result of EU policy .Anything we do now can only be better
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IF you talking about the other parliament, these get promoted in by the elected leaders of each country who in turn have been elected by the sovereign nations in their national elections. that's down to our PM
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When was the last time you ever heard a prospective PM trying to get elected using a "i will vote xxxx into the European Commission " ticket.The EC is responsible for legislation and day to day running of the EU ,that's the bit that effects all of us in very real ways,we get no vote on that and interestingly these leaders that are promoted by the elected leaders of sovereign nations are duty bound by their oath of office to represent the general interests of the EU NOT their country of origin .So not democratic,not elected by citizens and not working in member states interests
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11-10-2016, 20:32
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Re: Post-Brexit Thread
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It is wrong now ,you may not think overcrowded schools,NHS at breaking point,people unable to get doctors appointments and social housing given to migrants is fine and dandy but all the above failings are a direct result of EU policy .Anything we do now can only be better
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When was the last time you ever heard a prospective PM trying to get elected using a "i will vote xxxx into the European Commission " ticket.The EC is responsible for legislation and day to day running of the EU ,that's the bit that effects all of us in very real ways,we get no vote on that and interestingly these leaders that are promoted by the elected leaders of sovereign nations are duty bound by their oath of office to represent the general interests of the EU NOT their country of origin .So not democratic,not elected by citizens and not working in member states interests
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Then there's what happens when Merkel offers a unilateral 'welcome' without consulting anyone else in Europe first about the patently obvious ramifications for the entire EU. Now that really was something that should never have happened.
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12-10-2016, 07:24
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Re: Post-Brexit Thread
Whingeing. Contemptuous. Unpatriotic. Damn the Bremoaners and their plot to subvert the will of the British people
You lost. Stop the anti-democratic games and respect the emphatic verdict of the British people.
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12-10-2016, 07:57
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Re: Post-Brexit Thread
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Are you a Daily Mail 5th Columnist 
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This one, another fantasist, has been hired by David Davis to provide expertise on the process of leaving the EU:
Brexit adviser: leaving EU customs union will cost UK £25bn a year
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12-10-2016, 07:59
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Re: Post-Brexit Thread
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Good grief old boy you still reading that crap.
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12-10-2016, 08:01
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Re: Post-Brexit Thread
I wasn't aware we had a plot! This is great news! I must ask for the details at the next meeting of the liberal metropolitan elite.
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12-10-2016, 08:10
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Re: Post-Brexit Thread
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Was hardly emphatic, pretty much the opposite in fact
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I wasn't aware we had a plot! This is great news! I must ask for the details at the next meeting of the liberal metropolitan elite.
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You're not invited to the meeting, not wishy washy or hand wringing enough plus you haven't got any sandals
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12-10-2016, 08:16
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Re: Post-Brexit Thread
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Was hardly emphatic, pretty much the opposite in fact[COLOR="Silver"]
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Yep ,i think 'scraped through by the skin of our teeth' is more apt.Would have been better if it was an emphatic win one way or the other
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12-10-2016, 08:24
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Re: Post-Brexit Thread
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Exactly Den!
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12-10-2016, 08:45
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Re: Post-Brexit Thread
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Was hardly emphatic, pretty much the opposite in fact
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Emphatic is a Greek word. We're taking back control of it instead of letting meddling Eurocrats try and tell us what it means.
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12-10-2016, 09:26
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Re: Post-Brexit Thread
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Emphatic is a Greek word. We're taking back control of it instead of letting meddling Eurocrats try and tell us what it means.
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I think another Greek word is more appropriate for this than emphatic, pyrrhic...
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