[Update] The UK votes to leave the EU

[Big Brian]

Originally Posted by Osem

The banks are gamblers and frequently get it wrong - sometimes big style. The main reason we're in this mess is banks and politicians who fed off them. The FTSE is a marketplace which reacts constantly to uncertainty, frequently overreacting as we've seen countless times over the years.

1. It will be a big mistake to remain in the EU just because of the death of an MP.

2. That email should be plastered all over the net as they seem to be taking advantage of it.

[denphone]

Indeed the banks are gamblers and frequently get it wrong in many cases Osem but the bookies usually don't get it wrong in most cases and the odds on remain winning on Thursday have become long odds on in these last few days.

[Gary L]

Not long to go now. and we're OUT!

Dave has proved to the Great British public just how much of an arse he really is.

down with Dave!
Vote OUT,

[RichardCoulter]

What I can't understand is that they keep saying that we need immigrants to work to pay taxes to keep us all in old age as well as literally care for our needs as employees.

If we need extra young people in the country, why is the Government going to limit benefits to the first two children? You'd think they'd be encouraging people to have as many as possible.

Perhaps it's because its cheaper to import immigrants than pay for maternity, health, education etc of children born here- but at what other costs?

As the vote seems to be going against the Government, I'm surprised that they haven't used the murder of Jo Cox as an excuse to cancel it.

It wouldn't surprise me if they used the murder as an excuse to nullify the result if it was to leave- saying that people were unduly influenced or that many were protest votes against violence.

[Big Brian]

Originally Posted by Gary L

Not long to go now. and we're OUT!

Dave has proved to the Great British public just how much of an arse he really is.

down with Dave!
Vote OUT,

Sorry but as an outer I don't share your confidence. Money talks and the economy will win the referendum. That aside, I don't think Nigel Ferage has done leave any favours recently. He shouldn't have been in the limelight, he's not part of the official campaign.

[Osem]

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

What I can't understand is that they keep saying that we need immigrants to work to pay taxes to keep us all in old age as well as literally care for our needs as employees.

If we need extra young people in the country, why is the Government going to limit benefits to the first two children? You'd think they'd be encouraging people to have as many as possible.

Perhaps it's because its cheaper to import immigrants than pay for maternity, health, education etc of children born here- but at what other costs?

As the vote seems to be going against the Government, I'm surprised that they haven't used the murder of Jo Cox as an excuse to cancel it.

It wouldn't surprise me if they used the murder as an excuse to nullify the result if it was to leave- saying that people were unduly influenced or that many were protest votes against violence.

HMG keeps telling us we need more people despite the fact that our population is growing at the rate of 1,000,000 every 3 years. Our services and infrastructure are clearly creaking at the seams wherever you care to look yet they still say we need more people. It'd make some sense if there was a rule that migrants could come for a maximum period of say 5 years but whilst people are coming in huge numbers and many are staying for good, all we're doing is perpetuating the problem on an ever larger scale. Frankly it's bonkers.

Originally Posted by ianch99

I am sensing that maybe Farage, with his dodgy past and his mis-handling of the run-in to Wednesday's vote

Might want to hold on till Thursday

[techguyone]

I know, it's simple maths, you don't need to be a rocket scientist to work out if approx 1 million people enter the country every 3 years, you'd need to adjust housing, jobs, healthcare, prisons, services to allow for it.

Why we keep insisting there's no impact is head scratching.

And as for those who dare say anything about that oddity, and they're instantly dismissed as pariahs, racists, xenophobes etc etc.

Weird, just weird.

Originally Posted by Ignitionnet

If last week ends up being the turning point perhaps best we do remain in the EU. If the public opinion is swung by one event, however tragic, we clearly aren't grown up enough to govern ourselves, and once Generation Snowflake get their hands on the wheels of power we'll probably end up diving head long into further integration anyway, because feels.

If we Remain it's going to be hard to know if it's 'that one event' that swung it. The polls published over the weekend had most of their fieldwork done before the murder or on the day of it. YouGov have said they detected the momentum stalling before then. It could be Osborne's budget threat/warning, a drift to the status-quo as people expected to happen or the combination of things.

https://twitter.com/ShippersUnbound/...82968659791872

Sunday Times YouGov poll 44-43 lead for Remain. YouGov say it has been moving remain's way in unpublished polls long before Jo Cox killed

https://twitter.com/ShippersUnbound/...83396566843392

Key finding of ST/YouGov poll: 33% now think Brexit will hurt their finances. Up from 23% two weeks ago

https://twitter.com/ShippersUnbound/...83772837834752

ST/YouGov of undecided voters twice as many likely to go for Remain as Leave

[Ignitionnet]

I think the biggest debate to be had now is by how much Remain will win.

I'm going for somewhere between 55-45 and 60-40.

[denphone]

l expect Remain to win by 10 percentage points at least.

[Osem]

Originally Posted by techguyone

I know, it's simple maths, you don't need to be a rocket scientist to work out if approx 1 million people enter the country every 3 years, you'd need to adjust housing, jobs, healthcare, prisons, services to allow for it.

Why we keep insisting there's no impact is head scratching.

And as for those who dare say anything about that oddity, and they're instantly dismissed as pariahs, racists, xenophobes etc etc.

Weird, just weird.

How can any government hope to be able to plan for, budget for and implement long term programmes such as those with no ability to predict let alone control the numbers coming or even leaving the UK? In any other situation this would be deemed madness.

Meantime as we're sucking in all sorts of people from the EU and elsewhere, what's happening in their home countries? I mean these are all highly motivated, hard working, people who're clearly leaving their countries to come here for a better life so who's replacing them or is the slow demise of their home countries of no concern to anyone? Greek doctors and nurses are, for example, leaving the country in increasing numbers. Does anyone care what happens to the Greek health service or doesn't it matter?

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by martyh

Might want to hold on till Thursday

Thanks! Senior moment ..

[Jimmy-J]

Nigel Farage Hits Back Over Poster & Warsi Defection

http://www.lbc.co.uk/nigel-farage-live-132497

[admars]

Originally Posted by techguyone

I know, it's simple maths, you don't need to be a rocket scientist to work out if approx 1 million people enter the country every 3 years, you'd need to adjust housing, jobs, healthcare, prisons, services to allow for it.

Why we keep insisting there's no impact is head scratching.

And as for those who dare say anything about that oddity, and they're instantly dismissed as pariahs, racists, xenophobes etc etc.

Weird, just weird.

what are the figures on ppl leaving to live and work abroad?