[Update] The UK votes to leave the EU

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Big Brian

Clarity is not going to be forthcoming from either camps but what is clear is.

1 You don't have to have a trade agreement to trade.
2 You don't have to be in the EU to benefit from the Single Market.
3 You would not be tied up in all their red tape.
4 If we vote to leave the EU will break up.
5 Yes there will be uncertainty at the start.
6 The Treasury haven't hit one prediction in 6 years.

I could go on.

Is this the same Treasury you are trusting with the nation's economic future?

[Big Brian]

Regarding No. 4. Other countries will want their independence. Not a case of importance.

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Originally Posted by ianch99

Is this the same Treasury you are trusting with the nation's economic future?

I don't trust them. I'm an OUTER!

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Originally Posted by pip08456

I can see a world tomorrow with no BMW's No VW's and then I woke up!

Which is why we'll get a good trade deal

Originally Posted by ianch99

Is this the same Treasury you are trusting with the nation's economic future?

At the last general election, the issue was who do you trust more or less. Choosing one over the other doesn't necessarily indicate blind faith. Personally I found Balls and Miliband's lukewarm commitment to deficit reduction alarming. That's not to say I'm a massive fan of George Osborne. In fact, his ability to totally feck up a budget is unparalleled and also quite alarming. I do, however, think he is closer to correct on the fundamentals than anyone who has sat on the Labour front bench in the last 6 years.

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Chris

At the last general election, the issue was who do you trust more or less. Choosing one over the other doesn't necessarily indicate blind faith. Personally I found Balls and Miliband's lukewarm commitment to deficit reduction alarming. That's not to say I'm a massive fan of George Osborne. In fact, his ability to totally feck up a budget is unparalleled and also quite alarming. I do, however, think he is closer to correct on the fundamentals than anyone who has sat on the Labour front bench in the last 6 years.

So he is therefore "closer to correct" on the fundamentals of his EU argument .. he can't be correct on one area of the economy and not the other. If he is wrong on the EU then how the hell do you know what is he right about?

Originally Posted by ianch99

So he is therefore "closer to correct" on the fundamentals of his EU argument .. he can't be correct on one area of the economy and not the other.

This is so far from logical there's really no way of responding to it.

Originally Posted by ianch99

So he is therefore "closer to correct" on the fundamentals of his EU argument .. he can't be correct on one area of the economy and not the other. If he is wrong on the EU then how the hell do you know what is he right about?

If only everything was black and white, life would be so much simpler....

Originally Posted by pip08456

And where does itr state "In law" that the Government have to listen to the people?

This referendum, no matter what the result, is not legally binding.

It is political suicide for the party in power to ignore the will of the "people" and could trigger an election if the party in power did not agree with the result.

Then you will get a situation as in pre 1975 where a Labour govenment was elected on a mandate of getting us out of the then ECC, put it to a referendum, pushed for it with all their might to keep us in and we are where we are now.

Never trust a politician or anything that comes out of their mouths!

what's that got to do with anything i didn't say anything about the referendum being legally binding

[Ignitionnet]

Originally Posted by Chris

I do, however, think he is closer to correct on the fundamentals than anyone who has sat on the Labour front bench in the last 6 years.

A quite scary state of affairs given his obsession with running a surplus which will, by definition, push the private sector into a heavy deficit as it'll have to finance his surplus and our balance of payments deficit.

Now what happened last time the private sector got itself heavily indebted... that worked out well.

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Hugh

If only everything was black and white, life would be so much simpler....

Ah yes, the black and white response ... I trust George on this, I dont trust George on this, I trust George on this, I don't trust George on this ... nice to be so selective when such trifling things are at stake

Where's Gary when you need him?

Originally Posted by ianch99

Ah yes, the black and white response ... I trust George on this, I dont trust George on this, I trust George on this, I don't trust George on this ... nice to be so selective when such trifling things are at stake

Where's Gary when you need him?

So, it would appear you are saying "if you don't trust someone on everything they do, you must mistrust with them on everything they do".

That's an "interesting" way to live your life...

You can't trust Jeremy Corbyn to get his tax returns in on time, so you can't trust him to run the country...

[Osem]

Originally Posted by Hugh

So, it would appear you are saying "if you don't trust someone on everything they do, you must mistrust with them on everything they do".

That's an "interesting" way to live your life...

You can't trust Jeremy Corbyn to get his tax returns in on time, so you can't trust him to run the country...

Take two of these mate.





In other news after all these years Juncker's decided that the EU interfere's too much.

The European Commission President, Jean-Claude Juncker, has warned that too much EU "interference" in people's lives is eroding support for the bloc.

The former Luxembourg prime minister said the EU had become involved in "too many domains where member states... are better placed to take action".

His comments came amid an intense debate in the UK about EU membership.

Voters face a June in-out referendum on the EU and opinion polls suggest a very close race.

Mr Juncker also said the EU would not relax its visa conditions for Turkey.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36087022

Nice timing eh. The question is does anyone really believe that his words will translate into action when the referendum's done? I'm afraid he's right, many people have lost faith in the EU and don't believe they're interested in real reform. Sorry Jean-Claude but the EU's had years to address this nonsense and claiming they've seen the light now, just before what could be a huge turning point in its history, is just too late for me.

Originally Posted by ianch99

Where's Gary when you need him?

In detention, probably.

[heero_yuy]

Originally Posted by Chris

In detention, probably.

He's quite happy now they've given him his crayons back.

[Big Brian]

that's the first vote of the season in. Police Commissioner thingy

[Osem]

Originally Posted by heero_yuy

He's quite happy now they've given him his crayons back.

I heard he's too busy to post much because he's been in charge of rebuilding Corbyn's popularity within the PLP.