General Election 2015: Voting intentions & general discussion

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Hugh

But Ed said he was happy with the plan....

Ed is not in government, Dave is.

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Originally Posted by Sirius

Ed's got a brass neck considering what they did in Iraq thanks to his buddy Blair.

but Dave wanted our soldiers in Syria, Ed didn't ...

[Osem]

Originally Posted by nomadking

People also gather at Calais, so whose to blame for that?

How about those who let the migrants pass through numerous safe countries without claiming asylum and allowed them to get to the English Channel?

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Originally Posted by ianch99

Ed is not in government, Dave is.

So he's criticising HMG for something he agreed with eh? Great!

[Ignitionnet]

Originally Posted by Osem

So he's criticising HMG for something he agreed with eh? Great!

Bit like George Osborne and the coalition criticising Labour for spending too much when he announced in 2007 that he wanted to spend more.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bR_hfQU-4r0

Stones, glass houses. Can we perhaps try not to keep it so virulently partisan? Feel like I'm in the United States watching someone spewing bile at the 'Libruls'.

Every opposition is guilty of going along with a whole bunch of stuff that, on hindsight, was a bad idea. They also then tend to try and use said SNAFUs against the government of the day in campaigns.

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Someone I will happily abuse, however is Michael Gove.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/ed...-10203085.html

I honestly don't understand the Tories' obsession with Ofsted. My wife has worked over 70 hours this week and will be doing more tomorrow. Much of it not for the benefit of the children but to be 'Ofsted ready'.

Tories used to be more liberal, Labour used to be more left-wing, now we just have varying degrees of authoritarian-right, all of which love to micro-manage things they know nothing about and all of which couldn't competently organise excessive drinking in a brewery.

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by ianch99

but Dave wanted our soldiers in Syria, Ed didn't ...

Difference is Blairs bare faced lies killed 1000's of British soldiers. I know who i would put against a wall and shoot given the chance.

[heero_yuy]

Originally Posted by Sirius

Difference is Blairs bare faced lies killed 1000's of British soldiers. I know who i would put against a wall and shoot given the chance.

You'll need to join the queue.

Originally Posted by ianch99

Ed is not in government, Dave is.

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but Dave wanted our soldiers in Syria, Ed didn't ...

But Ed initially agreed with the plan in 2011, and then commented today that he didn't believe the plan worked, and placed the blame on the Government - I was pointing out the disparity in his two statements, not making a partisan point.

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Originally Posted by Ignitionnet

Bit like George Osborne and the coalition criticising Labour for spending too much when he announced in 2007 that he wanted to spend more.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bR_hfQU-4r0

Stones, glass houses. Can we perhaps try not to keep it so virulently partisan? Feel like I'm in the United States watching someone spewing bile at the 'Libruls'.

Every opposition is guilty of going along with a whole bunch of stuff that, on hindsight, was a bad idea. They also then tend to try and use said SNAFUs against the government of the day in campaigns.

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Someone I will happily abuse, however is Michael Gove.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/ed...-10203085.html

I honestly don't understand the Tories' obsession with Ofsted. My wife has worked over 70 hours this week and will be doing more tomorrow. Much of it not for the benefit of the children but to be 'Ofsted ready'.

Tories used to be more liberal, Labour used to be more left-wing, now we just have varying degrees of authoritarian-right, all of which love to micro-manage things they know nothing about and all of which couldn't competently organise excessive drinking in a brewery.

Totally agree with you - my daughter gave up her PGCE 3/4s of the way through the course, as she said it was mostly admin, not teaching, and she wanted to teach kids, not be an administrator....

[Osem]

I wonder if the admin would/will be less under a different govt. Ever since I can remember there just seems to have been more of it...

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by Sirius

Difference is Blairs bare faced lies killed 1000's of British soldiers. I know who i would put against a wall and shoot given the chance.

and you think that our soldiers in Syria would be picking flowers?

BTW, the UK forces death toll is under 200 but let's not let facts get in the way of a good rant ..

[denphone]

Tony Blair and David Cameron both supported the war because they both felt it was the right thing to do but obviously not everybody feels it was the right decision which of course is their prerogative.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/5108584.stm

[ianch99]

Originally Posted by denphone

Tony Blair and David Cameron both supported the war because they both felt it was the right thing to do but obviously not everybody feels it was the right decision which of course is their prerogative.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/5108584.stm

Well said

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Doesn't everyone think this election is a bit lack lustre?

Ed has done alright in his media moments, better than expected but not great.

Dave seems to have taken a back seat, no real passionate debates or knockout speeches.

Clegg is just an annoying irrelevance and the Green leader, Natalie Bennett, just isn't up to the job.

A big disappointment is Farage: in the debates I have watched where I expected him to dominate, he failed to stand out.

but the biggest worry is the SNP Leader who is wooing the Labour vote with her more-left-than-labour policies but hides a not-so-secret agenda to engineer Scottish independence.

So in summary, as Private Frasier said "We're doomed .."

[denphone]

Sadly the choice out there is the worse it has been for quite a while and one suspects there will be plenty of thought when it comes to when people have to put their cross in a box on their polling slip for the candidate who is the least worst of a bad bunch.

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by ianch99

and you think that our soldiers in Syria would be picking flowers?

BTW, the UK forces death toll is under 200 but let's not let facts get in the way of a good rant ..

That's 200 more than there should have been considering they died because Blair spouted lies. He should be arrested and tried for his crimes.

Originally Posted by denphone

Tony Blair and David Cameron both supported the war because they both felt it was the right thing to do but obviously not everybody feels it was the right decision which of course is their prerogative.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/5108584.stm

Difference being that Blair knew the evidence was made up.......

[denphone]

Originally Posted by Hugh

Difference being that Blair knew the evidence was made up.......

Indeed but would David Cameron have done any different if he was PM at the time?.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Hugh

But Ed said he was happy with the plan....

The plan to change the regime not the reconstruction plan presumably?