European Terror Attacks

[papa smurf]

Police surround kosher Paris supermarket
9 January 2015 Last updated at 15:07 GMT
A gunman has seized hostages at a kosher supermarket in Paris, while police in northern France have cornered the two Charlie Hebdo massacre suspects.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-30739510

[Ignitionnet]

As an addendum to that a couple of Wikipedia entries that may give my viewpoint on the whole freedom of speech argument more clarity.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_relativism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnocentrism

I go to Saudi Arabia, smuggle in beer and bacon, and start munching and drinking in public I get what's coming to me, because I'm not ethnocentric and don't expect my actions to be judged in terms of my own culture. Loathsome as I find Saudi Arabia's culture if I go to their back yard I'd have to play by their rules. Same bag here, whatever people who think they're liberal may say.

On that note it's astonishing how many people I've read over the past days who consider themselves liberal because they are largely left-wing in their economic viewpoints, think gay marriage is fine, are all for mass immigration, etc, but when it comes to freedom of speech think that the 'right' to be offended should trump it. They really don't grasp that they are being every bit as fascistic as those they would profess to despise.

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Originally Posted by Russ

The fact is people seem to be in favour of responding to the killings in a way that has been proven to provoke a reaction. It seems like people are willing to pay the price of more killings as long as it means we show the nutters they can't stop our 'freedom of speech'.

Which, in anyone's language is ludicrous.

I prefer courageous.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Russ

I am paying attention, the attacks took place at a press outlet not a bakery, it's been all over the news in the past few days....

Originally Posted by papa smurf

Police surround kosher Paris supermarket
9 January 2015 Last updated at 15:07 GMT
A gunman has seized hostages at a kosher supermarket in Paris, while police in northern France have cornered the two Charlie Hebdo massacre suspects.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-30739510

[Russ]

Originally Posted by Ignitionnet

I prefer courageous.

I don't mean to sound patronising but you've truly shocked me with that.

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OK let's all go around provoking the terrorist element in Islam and not bat an eyelid when they retaliate by killing innocents

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Russ

I don't mean to sound patronising but you've truly shocked me with that.

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OK let's all go around provoking the terrorist element in Islam and not bat an eyelid when they retaliate by killing innocents

Dear oh dear do you not realise they'll be killing anyway, how on earth you equate killing innocents or even the guilty for that matter with any form of provocation is beyond me, the terrorists are the problem not the cartoonists and no blame or guilt should be apportioned for said terrorists behaviour to them

[Russ]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Dear oh dear do you not realise they'll be killing anyway, how on earth you equate killing innocents or even the guilty for that matter with any form of provocation is beyond me, the terrorists are the problem not the cartoonists and no blame or guilt should be apportioned for said terrorists behaviour to them

Do YOU not realise that although they kill anyway certain responses will paint even more targets on our backs??

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Russ

Do YOU not realise that although they kill anyway certain responses will paint even more targets on our backs??

Even more than is already there, let them do their worst, chances are they'll do it anyway, I'm not going to live in fear of them or change anything thing I do to accommodate them and if people think pandering or appeasing them will stop them or even put of the inevitable for long then they're as deluded as the nuts getting killed for virgins.

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Even more than is already there, let them do their worst, chances are they'll do it anyway, I'm not going to live in fear of them or change anything thing I do to accommodate them and if people think pandering or appeasing them will stop them or even put of the inevitable for long then they're as deluded as the nuts getting killed for virgins.

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by Russ

So it's acceptable for us to do things that will deliberately provoke them?

So if we stop the cartoons and they kill more innocents because there religion is offended by the next reason they can find. Should we then stop that as well. I am offended by them killing innocents i bet they don't stop killing in the name of there god however.

The time as come to stop giving in to them because something offends them from a story book that was written years ago. They live to a book that related to a time where life was cheap and they still think it's ok to kill in the name of that book and there god. Then you wonder why i have no truck with religion.

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Even more than is already there, let them do their worst, chances are they'll do it anyway, I'm not going to live in fear of them or change anything thing I do to accommodate them and if people think pandering or appeasing them will stop them or even put of the inevitable for long then they're as deluded as the nuts getting killed for virgins.

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Russ

So regardless of the possibility it'll likely lead to more killing of innocent people?

You don't believe in those freedoms?

[Russ]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Even more than is already there, let them do their worst, chances are they'll do it anyway, I'm not going to live in fear of them or change anything thing I do to accommodate them and if people think pandering or appeasing them will stop them or even put of the inevitable for long then they're as deluded as the nuts getting killed for virgins.

Is anyone suggesting we 'pander' to them?

Do you think the people at the magazine would still be dead if they hadn't run those cartoons?

[Pierre]

Originally Posted by Russ

Do YOU not realise that although they kill anyway certain responses will paint even more targets on our backs??

Are you so afraid?

[Russ]

Originally Posted by Pierre

You don't believe in those freedoms?

I believe in using freedoms wisely. Everyone goes on about the "right to freedom of speech". Not many people respect the responsibility of free speech.

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Originally Posted by Pierre

Are you so afraid?

No.

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by Russ

Is anyone suggesting we 'pander' to them?

Do you think the people at the magazine would still be dead if they hadn't run those cartoons?

Maybe not but its inevitable that those two would have killed someone in the end. Did the copper die because he published the cartoons btw. What was the reason for the shop killing did they publish the cartoons or were they just unbelievers who should be killed.

Well considering they the fundamentalists are offended by everything we do from women wearing revealing clothing,to dancing and playing/listening to music,drawing/painting the human/animal form as well as not being Muslim it's pretty hard to see how less offensive we can get.

Seems to me that satire and ridicule is a very good weapon against such thinking.