General Coming soon to Virgin TV (2013) Vol. 6. - Page 27

Gunslinger · 23-11-2013, 20:14

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Originally Posted by passingbat

I think the Netflix terms and conditions are as such because they have to be that way to keep content providers happy. Given that Netflix could easily prevent this happening if they wanted to but don't, suggests that they don't see it as an issue. I they don't see it as an issue, why should users?

The internet has made content global and content providers are resisting this so that they can make more money. They really should have learned from the record industry and make virtually all content globally available via reasonably priced subscription services.

I don't really want to prolong this and don't really disagree with you - however we live in the real world.

Ideally exclusivity should be banned - consumers would then have a real choice. In the current situation increased competition actually works against the consumer by increasing costs and forcing them to sign up to multiple packages - as we have already seen with sports rights.

Netflix have obviously done what they needed to do legally, and don't want to upset users by being over picky. However that could very easily change if content providers wake up to this and lean on them. And in this case it is clearly the users not Netflix who may be breaking the law.

passingbat · 23-11-2013, 20:31

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Originally Posted by Gunslinger

I don't really want to prolong this and don't really disagree with you - however we live in the real world.

Ideally exclusivity should be banned - consumers would then have a real choice. In the current situation increased competition actually works against the consumer by increasing costs and forcing them to sign up to multiple packages - as we have already seen with sports rights.

Netflix have obviously done what they needed to do legally, and don't want to upset users by being over picky. However that could very easily change if content providers wake up to this and lean on them. And in this case it is clearly the users not Netflix who may be breaking the law.

Out of interest, any opinion on region 1 DVDs imported and played on hacked UK DVD players to make them multi-region? All my region free DVD players were bought pre hacked from reputable suppliers.

OLD BOY · 23-11-2013, 20:42

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Originally Posted by JustaBloke

I have to congratulate you, the last time I saw someone whos post was as completely wrong as yours come back and try to defend it, was when OB claims Sky Atlantic is coming soon (again and again).

H'mm, which means that Gunslinger's post must carry legitimacy!

I'm not rising to the bate, JustaBloke, we'll just have to wait and see now. I have nothing more to say on the subject of Sky Atlantic.

muppetman11 · 23-11-2013, 20:46

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Originally Posted by andy_m

54 down, 18 up, against 3 adsl. I have the 30 product from Virgin currently, and the BT estimate means I should comfortably get all 38 from BT's lowest tier infinity product which is currently plenty. Both children are small so any use they have is heavily supervised meaning the most we currently have going is two connected devices at any one time.

Do their extra channels stream, and is it counted against your download limit, do you know? We'd probably require the unlimited product if that is the case.

Their extra channels stream and obviously use your available bandwith , I'm not sure whether they count against your allowance. The 38mb product is probably ample for our use also.

harry_hitch · 23-11-2013, 23:11

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Originally Posted by passingbat

I think the Netflix terms and conditions are as such because they have to be that way to keep content providers happy. Given that Netflix could easily prevent this happening if they wanted to but don't, suggests that they don't see it as an issue. I they don't see it as an issue, why should users?

The internet has made content global and content providers are resisting this so that they can make more money. They really should have learned from the record industry and make virtually all content globally available via reasonably priced subscription services.

And what about DVD content that was only available as region 1 content and only available to buy in the US? Should I not have imported my copy of, amongst other titles, La Femme Nikita, years ago and played it on my region free modified DVD player?

Like the use of DNS and VPN it is personal choice. I choose not to get any dvd's or tv shows from abroad. I also do not choose to watch Sky Atlantic programmes on torrent websites. This is not due to any major moral scruples though. I admit I have often wondered about the legality of it all, but mostly I simply do not care for the vast majority of it. The extras from region 1 dvd's (stuff I am bothered about) generally make their way over here eventually and I am patient enough to wait until they become available. I simply do not feel the need to buy region 1 dvd's/blurays just because they are available.

If others choose to get content from abroad, then that is their choice. I neither condone nor condemn their choices.

Gunslinger · 24-11-2013, 00:36

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Originally Posted by passingbat

Out of interest, any opinion on region 1 DVDs imported and played on hacked UK DVD players to make them multi-region? All my region free DVD players were bought pre hacked from reputable suppliers.

I imagine it is not perceived to be a major problem in terms of sales and so is tolerated. Major vendors like Amazon generally will not supply DVD's out of region, and there may also be issues about the supply of DVD's which may not comply with local regulatory and censorship requirements (age ratings etc.). In terms of enforcement it is a vendor rather than a user issue.

I am not sure any laws are broken by viewing legally acquired non counterfeit DVD's. However there ARE laws about computer hacking and fraudulent misrepresentation...

Bananaman_007 · 24-11-2013, 00:55

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Originally Posted by Frazz

My code came through a couple of days later

Did you have to ring customer services?

paultrademark · 24-11-2013, 00:55

Its not illegal but is against the T&Cs of Netflix as that content is not licenced to be viewed on Netflix UK.

Anyway this debate should be in Netflix thread and not the Coming Soon thread, this thread needs moderators sorting it out!

Frazz · 24-11-2013, 00:59

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Originally Posted by Bananaman_007

Did you have to ring customer services?

No it came in an e mail after a couple of days

24-11-2013, 01:06

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Originally Posted by Gunslinger

I imagine it is not perceived to be a major problem in terms of sales and so is tolerated. Major vendors like Amazon generally will not supply DVD's out of region, and there may also be issues about the supply of DVD's which may not comply with local regulatory and censorship requirements (age ratings etc.). In terms of enforcement it is a vendor rather than a user issue.

I am not sure any laws are broken by viewing legally acquired non counterfeit DVD's. However there ARE laws about computer hacking and fraudulent misrepresentation...

A quick search of Amazon.co.uk for 'Region 1 DVDs' produced 181,796 results.

paultrademark · 24-11-2013, 01:09

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Originally Posted by johnasimmons

I thought this was the coming soon thread, not one about how to connect to other countries Netflix...

Well said.

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Originally Posted by passingbat

Surely you've been around here long enough to know that this thread covers some very diverse topics that people seem to enjoy? Especially when there is not a lot on the coming soon horizon.

It's better than people constantly posting to ask over and over again when a particular TV channel is going to launch, surely?

There is already an established thread on Netflix and discussions around it on this forum.

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/11...iscussion.html

This is why different threads have a purpose and not just one thread to discuss everything in it should people want to.

Back on topic, as previously mentioned there is the launch of the TV anywhere app for Android coming soon.. I heard next week and another poster on the VM forums says the 27th so fingers crossed we get it nwxt week.

oh theres a thread to discuss it in too when it arrives ;-)

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/11...droid-app.html

harry_hitch · 24-11-2013, 01:15

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Originally Posted by paultrademark

Its not illegal but is against the T&Cs of Netflix as that content is not licenced to be viewed on Netflix UK.

Anyway this debate should be in Netflix thread and not the Coming Soon thread, this thread needs moderators sorting it out!

Not really, should we have threads for the many various other topics we talk about?

How about a thread for VPN/DNS usage?

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Originally Posted by paultrademark

Well said.

There is already an established thread on Netflix and discussions around it on this forum.

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/11...iscussion.html

This is why different threads have a purpose and not just one thread to discuss everything in it should people want to.

Back on topic, as previously mentioned there is the launch of the TV anywhere app for Android coming soon.. I heard next week and another poster on the VM forums says the 27th so fingers crossed we get it nwxt week.

oh theres a thread to discuss it in too when it arrives ;-)

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/11...droid-app.html

LOL, this is a thread about whats coming to Virgin TV, not android apps. As you rightly point out though, there is a thread for TV anywhere on android operating systems. LOL.

paultrademark · 24-11-2013, 01:31

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Originally Posted by harry_hitch

Not really, should we have threads for the many various other topics we talk about?

How about a thread for VPN/DNS usage?

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LOL, this is a thread about whats coming to Virgin TV, not android apps. As you rightly point out though, there is a thread for TV anywhere on android operating systems. LOL.

The VPN/DNS subject should be in the Computers & IT section surely?
What has it got to do with what's coming soon on Virgin TV?

Netflix isnt even coming soon, its here so people can discuss it in the Netflix thread, is that hard to comprehend as logical?

The Android App is funnily enough coming soon for Virgin TV so a damn lot more suited to the TV section of this site considering its primarily based to enhance their TV service.

As I said, its the moderators job to run the forums, but if this thread is just to discuss whatever anyone wants too, then why bother.

What you have for dinner tonight?

harry_hitch · 24-11-2013, 01:51

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Originally Posted by paultrademark

The VPN/DNS subject should be in the Computers & IT section surely?
What has it got to do with what's coming soon on Virgin TV?

Netflix isnt even coming soon, its here so people can discuss it in the Netflix thread, is that hard to comprehend as logical?

The Android App is funnily enough coming soon for Virgin TV so a damn lot more suited to the TV section of this site considering its primarily based to enhance their TV service.

As I said, its the moderators job to run the forums, but if this thread is just to discuss whatever anyone wants too, then why bother.

What you have for dinner tonight?

Yup, as I stated in my last post, all subjects that veer away from what is confirmed as launching by VM should have their own threads then, not just the stuff you find boring. Many people accept this thread for what it is, and you have not moaned about VPN or DNS being mentioned many times previously. So why bring it up now, guilty conscience?!?

The android app is not coming to VM TV though is it? It is a companion app for android devices and it certainly won't be an app on TIVO either, what would be the point. It will be used generally when people are away from their TV and their TIVO box(es).

If the mods are happy with the discussions why challenge them? As is frequently said, if you do not like the thread, check out the changelog.

Oh, and I had chicken jambalaya soup thanks. What about yourself?

Going back to what actually is "coming soon on Virgin TV" is Banshee. Superblade has pointed out that it will be shown on Sky One from the 2nd December. His post is in the "whats on virgin TV" thread.

theone2k10 · 24-11-2013, 02:22

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Originally Posted by harry_hitch

Yup, as I stated in my last post, all subjects that veer away from what is confirmed as launching by VM should have their own threads then, not just the stuff you find boring. Many people accept this thread for what it is, and you have not moaned about VPN or DNS being mentioned many times previously. So why bring it up now, guilty conscience?!?

The android app is not coming to VM TV though is it? It is a companion app for android devices and it certainly won't be an app on TIVO either, what would be the point. It will be used generally when people are away from their TV and their TIVO box(es).

If the mods are happy with the discussions why challenge them? As is frequently said, if you do not like the thread, check out the changelog.

Oh, and I had chicken jambalaya soup thanks. What about yourself?

Going back to what actually is "coming soon on Virgin TV" is Banshee. Superblade has pointed out that it will be shown on Sky One from the 2nd December. His post is in the "whats on virgin TV" thread.

Banshee is a very good programme i think you will enjoy it.