30M : Finally had enough of VM BS...........

[dilli-theclaw]

Originally Posted by carlwaring

VM ADSL is not the subject of this discussion though.

The point is that the VM supplied adsl modem I had was pretty crappy.

But I don't for one moment think that ALL modems they supply are crappy and wouldn't assume that because I had a badun it means they are all or mostly bad.

[carlwaring]

Originally Posted by Peter_

You fight tooth and nail to protect the image of Virgin Media....

People keep saying this but I REALLY DON'T. (Oddly enough, the people who, WRONGLY, state this all have the same thing in common; a different opinion to me. Weird, eh?!)

.. even if begrudgingly you admit defeat...

More BS. Please stop it.

...but word it to not sound negative....

Huh? Is this just more BS?

... and I have no need to provide proof as most of your posts provide that proof.

Yes. They provide proof that I have never ever said that VM are perfect and that I am happy to agree with someone who has a negative opinion of some aspect of VM if I agree with that opinion.

Now you can dispute that and I could look for such posts

I do dispute it because I KNOW it's not true.

More BS and lies snipped and ignored.

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Originally Posted by dilligaf1701

The point is that the VM supplied adsl modem I had was pretty crappy.

Fair enough. I think my parents had Virgin.net for a while but I can't remember if it was before VM or not so it would be unfair of me to comment further; even if I could remember if it was any good or not

But I don't for one moment think that ALL modems they supply are crappy and wouldn't assume that because I had a badun it means they are all or mostly bad.

Exactly. But good luck getting Peter or Sephiroth et al to agree with you.

[dilli-theclaw]

Originally Posted by carlwaring

Exactly. But good luck getting Peter or Sephiroth et al to agree with you.

But it doesn't really bother me if they agree or not - I've got far more important things going on in my life. People don't have to agree or disagree with me.

[carlwaring]

Originally Posted by Sephiroth

There's a difference between sentinents such as "it works for me but I don't deny there are problems with the SH" and acknowleding the downright misery caused to a provably high number of people whose downloads are destroyed by R36.

Oh wow!

After Peter said this to me....

Originally Posted by Peter_

.... even if begrudgingly you admit defeat but word it to not sound negative...

It sounds like you're now doing the same thing for the "other side of the argument", for want of a better way to put it.

There is, actually NO difference. We have acknowledged it is not perfect. But you, again, have not yet acknowledged that it is, actually, okay for some/a lot/most/whatever people.

Hypocritical much?

You two avoid acknowledging the seriousness of this (and not just this, the whole shabby history of the SH). For that you attract justifiable criticism.

And round and round we go

Turning to the BS,you rather excuse the BS as "marketing" instead of roundly criticising not just unthruth but downright lies.

May I direct you then to the ASA, with whom you can lodge a formal complaint about these supposed "lies". Please do keep us informed of your progress.

Even worse, you know all this deep down...

So now you're a mind-reader too?

It's no excuse for VM to put out BS just because others do - especially when they know that in the case of the SH, it's not truthful.

Then get onto the ASA ASAP.

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Originally Posted by Hugh

"Misery" because "downloads are destroyed"?

Are these one-time only downloads, that cannot be repeated, causing emotional and financial loss?

And yet I have never had any such problems with my SH.

Methinks Mr Hyperbole-OverDramatising is visiting today.......

Not for the first time

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Originally Posted by Maggy J

But Peter_ has insider knowledge...

But he doesn't know that "palms were greased" or he would not have qualified his statement. He may well know but not want to admit it on a public forum. In which case I don't think he should have said anything at all.

Are you employed or have been employed by VM?

Don't get them started (For the record, though, no.)

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Originally Posted by dilligaf1701

But it doesn't really bother me if they agree or not - I've got far more important things going on in my life. People don't have to agree or disagree with me.

Quite. But the point was that they are happy to vilify me (and others) for not completely agreeing with them that the SH is "a complete pile of cack". But they won't concede that it can't be "a complete pile of cack" or it wouldn't work well enough for us. If it were in indeed "a complete pile of cack" then it wouldn't work at all for anyone. They want us to concede something (which we have, many times) but they're not willing to concede anything. Smacks of hypocrisy to me.

I notice that carlwaring has ducked my question about if he works/has worked for VM.

[dilli-theclaw]

Originally Posted by Maggy J

I notice that carlwaring has ducked my question about if he works/has worked for VM.

It says no in his post above yours.


"Quote:
Are you employed or have been employed by VM? "


"Don't get them started (For the record, though, no.)"

[ethan103]

Originally Posted by Peter_

Adequate is not really good enough in this day and age considering they are supposed to be at the forefront of technology which with all of the three most recent devices they have failed.

We have the VMNG300 a device that was outdated before release due to the change in strategy going from 4 downstreams to 8 downstreams for which they hurried out the Superhub a flawed device from day one.
We should never have been put into the position of a having to accept a single device to cover wireless and broadband which is why a workaround was quickly found to enable your own router to be used as an Access device, then the company brought out Modem Mode as they realised what a error they had made.

You fight tooth and nail to protect the image of Virgin Media even if begrudgingly you admit defeat but word it to not sound negative and I have no need to provide proof as most of your posts provide that proof.

Now you can dispute that and I could look for such posts but we already know they exist as do the other members so why would I bother, as above I think you are more bothered about not getting an invite to a promotional day so you always sidestep saying anything negative which could have been avoided by not using your own name as your username and your picture as your avatar.

It might only have 4 DSC, but Ive had mine for years and its still going strong!

[Peter_]

Originally Posted by carlwaring

But he doesn't know that "palms were greased" or he would not have qualified his statement. He may well know but not want to admit it on a public forum. In which case I don't think he should have said anything at all.

Did you miss the wording of my post if so here it is for you to peruse.

Originally Posted by Peter_

What excuse can you give for the supply of poorly designed equipment other than the likelihood of the people in charge being bribed to accept the poor quality equipment now supplied, I personally would prefer a bribe to be the reason rather than stupidity, so if you answer this post choose which of those two options you think is closer to the truth.

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Originally Posted by ethan103

It might only have 4 DSC, but Ive had mine for years and its still going strong!

It is still an outmoded piece of junk incapable of going forward due to its lack of downstreams, I have the Superhub which has behaved faultlessly since February 2011 but it is still a badly designed piece of junk trying to do the job of 2 devices but at least it is capable of running with 8 downstreams so more futureproof than your modem which failed that test before release.

[ethan103]

Originally Posted by Peter_

Did you miss the wording of my post if so here it is for you to peruse.



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It is still an outmoded piece of junk incapable of going forward due to its lack of downstreams, I have the Superhub which has behaved faultlessly since February 2011 but it is still a badly designed piece of junk trying to do the job of 2 devices but at least it is capable of running with 8 downstreams so more futureproof than your modem which failed that test before release.

I think you miss my point.

My modem provides lower latency than my neighbours SuperHub in modem mode.

I wouldnt exactly call it "junk" when it works better than SH.

Also I dont see how my modem could work any better, Full Speeds, Low Latency, Low Jitter, what more would you expect it to do?

And by the time more downstreams kick in my area there will be a new device released anyway...

[Peter_]

Originally Posted by ethan103

And by the time more downstreams kick in my area there will be a new device released anyway...

Do not hold your breath as it may be little different to the present device.

Here is my full speed on a 30Mb connection were I constantly get 32Mb day and night.

[ethan103]

Originally Posted by Peter_

Do not hold your breath as it may be little different to the present device.

Meh, For Now my Modem is perfect and works perfectly....Not Junk At All..

[Peter_]

Originally Posted by ethan103

Meh, For Now my Modem is perfect and works perfectly....Not Junk At All..

Pity I know different as I used to deal with them day in day out and your experience is with a single device only.

[carlwaring]

Originally Posted by ethan103

I wouldnt exactly call it "junk" when it works better than SH.

I wouldn't either. But we must, of course, bow to the supremecy of Peter et al because they know better than anyone exactly what a "complete pile of cack" the SH is because they say so

And here's my current speeds on my "pile of cack" SH.



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Originally Posted by ethan103

Meh, For Now my Modem is perfect and works perfectly....Not Junk At All..

As is mine. As is Hugh's. And as is, I suspect (with no evidence either way but remembering negativity bias) most other people's too.

[Peter_]

Originally Posted by carlwaring

I wouldn't either. But we must, of course, bow to the supremecy of Peter et al because they know better than anyone exactly what a "complete pile of cack" the SH is because they say so

And here's my current speeds on my "pile of cack" SH.

Its called working with the equipment and dealing with issues on a daily basis, just being connected to the internet via a single device for as long as yours has been installed does not qualify you to talk about reliability of other similar devices in the real world.

I may not have worked for Virgin Media for over 6 months but in my time there I have dealt with more VMNG300 modems, Hubs and Superhubs than you could even begin to count let alone all the other standard modems so probably more modems than you have had hot dinners.

Ladies, panto season isn't on for three months yet. If this thread is going no further than an endless cycle of oh yes it is/oh no it isn't nonsense, then it will be getting closed very shortly.

I suggest any posters who still have an interest in furthering the topic, think of something new to add to it quickly.