Students Rioting in London.

Originally Posted by Derek

At a rough guess it could be:

• Placed there from a previous incident

i said that and was told i was being ridiculous

Taken from the glove box and placed there by a cop when it broke down

i said ,"put there from a previous accident" was told it was a ridiculous argument

Put there by cops as part of a huge conspiracy designed make the students look bad although nothing would be written down or transmitted by radio in case the transcripts are released by a FOI request

i ridiculed this argument but was told it was the most likely explanation as "there was no reason for an old scrapper to be there"

If it was a knackered van do you think they would have repaired it just enough to be drivable just until it breaks down in the middle of the street?

apparently some posters on here think that is the only viable explanation

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by martyh

i said that and was told i was being ridiculous




i said ,"put there from a previous accident" was told it was a ridiculous argument



i ridiculed this argument but was told it was the most likely explanation as "there was no reason for an old scrapper to be there"



apparently some posters on here think that is the only viable explanation

they do
er i mean they do ????

[Peter_]

Originally Posted by martyh

apparently some posters on here think that is the only viable explanation

I take the people who will not accept that the van was in normal use have never watched any of the Police shows on the television where the Police arrive in fairly new vehicles and when they call for a van it can be 5 or more years older than the panda cars, as Derek said above they cost a lot of money to be fitted out so they will hold onto vans a lot longer.

Originally Posted by Masque

I take the people who will not accept that the van was in normal use have never watched any of the Police shows on the television where the Police arrive in fairly new vehicles and when they call for a van it can be 5 or more years older than the panda cars, as Derek said above they cost a lot of money to be fitted out so they will hold onto vans a lot longer.

That's right i have posted current prices for the equivalent sprinter ,i had a rough idea of how much these cost as i was thinking of buying a new one next year ,the one shown in the clip is a old style i.e about 5 years old at a guess but would have still cost about £30-35 grand with alterations and i may be wrong here but the police don't lease vehicles they buy them

[Derek]

http://www.flickr.com/photos/ragtag04/257872860/

Taken in 2006 showing an 'N' reg van still in active use and looking a bit shabby with traces of rust etc on it.

[Peter_]

Originally Posted by martyh

That's right i have posted current prices for the equivalent sprinter ,i had a rough idea of how much these cost as i was thinking of buying a new one next year ,the one shown in the clip is a old style i.e about 5 years old at a guess but would have still cost about £30-35 grand with alterations and i may be wrong here but the police don't lease vehicles they buy them

Going by the age of some of the vans I would say bought.

We have a lot of vans in Liverpool and they are of different ages and you can see some of the older vehicles that are kept in Walton Lane Police station specifically for football match days as it is the closest station to both grounds.

Originally Posted by Derek

http://www.flickr.com/photos/ragtag04/257872860/

Taken in 2006 showing an 'N' reg van still in active use and looking a bit shabby with traces of rust etc on it.

It also has to be remembered that that model of sprinter will rust to bits as soon as it leaves the factory ,they were not the best built van so rust spots on a sprinter does not nescessarily mean it is a old knacker we've got plenty at work tha are only 5 years old and look like they have come from a scrap yard

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Masque

I take the people who will not accept that the van was in normal use have never watched any of the Police shows on the television where the Police arrive in fairly new vehicles and when they call for a van it can be 5 or more years older than the panda cars, as Derek said above they cost a lot of money to be fitted out so they will hold onto vans a lot longer.

you mean shows where the police play nice in-front of the camera ,and follow procedure to the letter because they have millions of viewers .

no i don't watch that type of fiction - i watch midsummer murders - rosemary and time -Sherlock Holmes -poirot -does that help in any way ?

so if i use my powers of deduction gleaned from the shows i watch i conclude the Butler done it .

[Peter_]

Originally Posted by Derek

http://www.flickr.com/photos/ragtag04/257872860/

Taken in 2006 showing an 'N' reg van still in active use and looking a bit shabby with traces of rust etc on it.

Hang about where is the Police Aware sticker on the roof.

Here is a picture of the actual sticker, can you see that it has not been filled in as these normally have the details of the vehicle that has been dumped, the date and the Policemans details who attached said sticker.



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Originally Posted by papa smurf

you mean shows where the police play nice in-front of the camera ,and follow procedure to the letter because they have millions of viewers .

no i don't watch that type of fiction - i watch midsummer murders - rosemary and time -Sherlock Holmes -poirot -does that help in any way ?

Not really as their vehicles are usually older.

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by Derek

http://www.flickr.com/photos/ragtag04/257872860/

Taken in 2006 showing an 'N' reg van still in active use and looking a bit shabby with traces of rust etc on it.

O come on Derick you expect the 2 Ronnie's to believe that without you producing evidence and answering the standard amount of additional extra questions. However as is the norm don't expect any answers back to your questions.

I have taken a leaf out of the flyboy school of debating and decided not to answer any of his question until he decides to start answering those put to him.

BTW where are the 2 Ronnie's

Originally Posted by Sirius

O come on Derick you expect the 2 Ronnie's to believe that without you producing evidence and answering the standard amount of additional extra questions. However as is the norm don't expect any answers back to your questions.

I have taken a leaf out of the flyboy school of debating and decided not to answer any of his question until he decides to start answering those put to him.

BTW where are the 2 Ronnie's

here

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by martyh

here

So the police are smart enough to deploy a knackered old decoy van (filled with riot control equipment) to entrap the students/activists/rioters/protesters/anarchists/innocent passerbys (please select subset of your choice), but stupid enough to leave a "Police Aware" sticker on the van which shows it was previously an abandoned vehicle.......

Imagine the scene at the pre-deployment meeting, if you will......

Sergeant - "OK, we've found an old police van, which was left abandoned at the side of the road by Sutton police, we've filled it full of expensive riot control gear, and we've agreed where we going to leave it to make sure chummy wrecks it, ensuring a positive propaganda message for the Met"

PC with more than one GCSE - "Erm, Sarge - there's a big yellow sticker above the front window saying "Police Aware" - won't that give the game away that it's a set-up, and foil our cunning plan?".

Sergeant -"Absolutely right, Brains* - remind me to remove it before we abandon the vehicle".

PC "Brains" - "Erm, Sarge - wouldn't it be better to remove it now, when we have time, rather than in the middle of a huge crowd where people might notice/photograph/film us doing it, or even worse, where we might forget?"

Sergeant - "Well, La-de-da-deh PC Brains with more than one GCSE - what sort of moron would be stupid enough to set up an entrapment scenario that will be filmed by multiple TV crews (as well as anyone with a mobile phone) and leave a big sticker on the van?"

Amazing how the police are cunning/stupid, dependent on which scenario one wants supported at the time, isn't it?

*Brains - apparently, the de-facto nickname given to any constable who has more than one GCSE (or so we are led to believe......).

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Masque

Hang about where is the Police Aware sticker on the roof.

Here is a picture of the actual sticker, can you see that it has not been filled in as these normally have the details of the vehicle that has been dumped, the date and the Policemans details who attached said sticker.



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Not really as their vehicles are usually older.

i wonder how many years that sticker has been on that van /or do the stickers come off the role pre aged with rough dirty edges perhaps as some kind of fashion statement .

The van had been vandalised for a couple of hours - I don't think they thought "must avoid the sticker", do you?