Students Rioting in London.

Originally Posted by Hugh

More of Mr McIntyre's wisdom - blog btw, recently means 2003, apparently; and I wonder how he equates that with the fact that Ben Brown won the Bayeux War Correspondent Award for his coverage of the Intifada in Israel (does that make him, in Mr McIntyre's eyes, a supporter of Hamas?).

Hugh ... IMO we should leave McIntyre to play to the gallery. He really is an irrelevance. And constantly linking to his blog just helps his drivel earn a better Google rank.

Okley dokley....

[Sparkle]

Originally Posted by Chris

snippity snip snip....just helps his drivel earn a better Google rank.

You're feeling very Christmasy aren't ya?
I don't agree with everything Jody says, and quite frankly his rant about disabled access to the tube was a bit ridiculous. However, the guy is only 20 and he is at least standing up for his beliefs. For someone his age and physical disability, he's to be commended for his determination - even if we don't always agree with what he says.

[Derek]

Originally Posted by Sparkle

Can you just confirm whether or not you believe the police acted professionally and measured in their handling of Jody McIntyre ?

Yep. If he wasn't in a wheelchair he'd be cuffed and in a cell rather than escorted to the rear of the police lines with his chair behind him.

Originally Posted by Sparkle

BTW, do you actually believe the IPCC are independent ?

Nope. I believe that in some cases they go out of their way to act against cops when its not justified.

Originally Posted by Sparkle

You're feeling very Christmasy aren't ya?
I don't agree with everything Jody says, and quite frankly his rant about disabled access to the tube was a bit ridiculous. However, the guy is only 20 and he is at least standing up for his beliefs. For someone his age and physical disability, he's to be commended for his determination - even if we don't always agree with what he says.

Perfectly Christmassy, thanks - but I don't change my opinions with the seasons.

As for standing up for his beliefs, well yes, he is (literally, at Tory HQ, if his own account is to be believed), but fortunately we don't judge what's right or wrong, good or bad based purely on sincerety. He is sincerely deranged in my view, with a far too highly polished sense of self-importance. Even the strapline of his blog should set alarm bells ringing. "One man's journey on the path to revolution". He badly needs to get out from up himself.

His inane dribbling shows he has little understanding of what 'revolution' means, how the BBC is constituted and run, or how war reporting works (embedded or otherwise), just to take a couple of very recent examples. Unfortunately McIntyre has, due to his recent notoriety, decided that the world is desperately interested in everything he has to say, and is pouring forth on a variety of subjects he simply hasn't read enough about to have anything revolutionary to say.

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Derek

Yep. If he wasn't in a wheelchair he'd be cuffed and in a cell rather than escorted to the rear of the police lines with his chair behind him.



Nope. I believe that in some cases they go out of their way to act against cops when its not justified.

could the prosecution please clarify how he was in a wheelchair and also behind police lines with his wheel chair behind him .

[Sirius]

Originally Posted by Chris

I think most people following this thread are aware of the general context of the discussion Flyboy ... however I suspect we're about to watch you trying to play word games with Stuart. Please, please don't bother, it's very tiresome.

You know him so well

[Sparkle]

Originally Posted by Chris

Perfectly Christmassy, thanks - but I don't change my opinions with the seasons.

Sounds like something Scrooge would say.

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Originally Posted by Derek

Yep. If he wasn't in a wheelchair he'd be cuffed and in a cell rather than escorted to the rear of the police lines with his chair behind him.

Really? What did he do wrong exactly?

Originally Posted by Sparkle

Sounds like something Scrooge would say.

Sorry ... did you have a point to make or do you normally prefer to call people names in lieu of a convincing argument?

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Sparkle

Sounds like something Scrooge would say.

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Really? What did he do wrong exactly?

your assuming one has to do something wrong to be one the receiving end of police hospitality .

[Sparkle]

Well Chris, I wasn't going to reply to your earlier rant as I didn't see much point as I assumed you were just letting off steam. But since you ask, here goes..

Originally Posted by Chris

As for standing up for his beliefs, well yes, he is (literally, at Tory HQ, if his own account is to be believed), but fortunately we don't judge what's right or wrong, good or bad based purely on sincerety.

Who said right or wrong should be judged based on sincerity? It wasn't long ago you were implying I was deluded for thinking Jody was at the demo against his will, when I never said any such thing. I'm noticing a trend here, and we can hardly have a fair discussion when only one side is sticking to the facts.

He is sincerely deranged in my view, with a far too highly polished sense of self-importance. Even the strapline of his blog should set alarm bells ringing. "One man's journey on the path to revolution". He badly needs to get out from up himself.

Maybe he does, but repeatedly referring to his writings as "drivel" is a little OTT - don't you think? Whether his work is "drivel" or not, that isn't for YOU to decide. I think it best that you should make your case, and let others decide for themselves.

His inane dribbling shows he has little understanding of what 'revolution' means, how the BBC is constituted and run, or how war reporting works (embedded or otherwise), just to take a couple of very recent examples.

So you are saying the BBC isn't state television? You could be right, but I'm leaning towards believing the BBC is more loyal to the government than to the public.

Unfortunately McIntyre has, due to his recent notoriety, decided that the world is desperately interested in everything he has to say, and is pouring forth on a variety of subjects he simply hasn't read enough about to have anything revolutionary to say.

You clearly have decided that noone is interested in what he has to say, but actually people ARE interested in what he has to say, whether you like it or not. You may disagree on whether or not his views are revolutionary in nature, but why not give the guy his 15 minutes of fame and let him move on. At least he's worked for it, unlike these pop idol nobodies who've decided they have the right to fame but nothing to offer in return for it.

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Originally Posted by papa smurf

your assuming one has to do something wrong to be one the receiving end of police hospitality .

Some examples of police "hospitality" at the recent student demos:

McIntyre "special treatment"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQV9P61FUwg

"Police" at work
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pS0eQA1XAIA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVgmxCcxZcg&NR=1 (another view)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-etV57xZ4_I&NR=1 (yet another view)

More of the same
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pNYYno66sE

Alfie Meadows incident
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bsnt2A_m2TU

I'd hate to imagine what the riot police would be doing if the cameras weren't there...

On a more humourous note:
Riot policeman trampled by own horse (even the animals are rebelling ! )
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fhqgm...eature=related

Ok i am out of here because this thread has said all the interesting stuff it's going too and is now in the process of defending and promoting a complete idiot time for my attention to go elsewhere.

Originally Posted by RizzyKing

Ok i am out of here because this thread has said all the interesting stuff it's going too and is now in the process of defending and promoting a complete idiot time for my attention to go elsewhere.

Surprised it took you this long.

[Derek]

Originally Posted by Sparkle

I'd hate to imagine what the riot police would be doing if the cameras weren't there...

Oh I dunno, maybe dodging the lumps of concrete and snooker balls chucked at them.



This was taken BEFORE any of the containment was put on so any of the excuses that the police caused it are void.

Oh BTW given the hundreds of cameras about how come none captured Alfie Meadows being injured? Maybe the rumours of it being a protestor 'own goal' are true after all.

Originally Posted by Sparkle

On a more humourous note:

Oh someone gets injured, how hilarious

[Stuart]

Originally Posted by Sparkle

On a more humourous note:
Riot policeman trampled by own horse (even the animals are rebelling ! )
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fhqgm...eature=related

Sorry, but I fail to see how an Animal panicking and trampling it's own rider is in any way humourous.

You sir, are a sick man. Based upon the tone of your posts, you also seem to have decided that the Police are automatically in the wrong, if not downright evil yet oddly, seem happy to defend the actions of those who caused the trouble. This, in itself, makes me wonder about your agenda and whether you truly care about the student's plight or are happy to use any excuse to give the authorities a good kicking.

Let me ask you this. Bearing in mind that the Press (in particular) are quite happy to attack the police when they feel the police deserve it (see the G20 coverage, the coverage of that Brazillian guy being shot and even the coverage of the attack on Price Charles), why has there not been much coverage of how the police brutally attacked the students?