Students Rioting in London.

[Ignitionnet]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

English money probably -we do love to subsidise the other uk Nations .

Kinda. To be more exact London and the South subsidise the rest of the UK, Scotland is the 3rd highest value per head region, ahead of all of England apart from the above, however it has higher public spending.

The most subsidised area is Wales, followed by the North East then the North West. The South East and London subsidise the most, the South West is the only other region, full stop, that pays its own bills.

http://www.statistics.gov.uk/pdfdir/gva1209.pdf
http://www.hm-treasury.gov.uk/d/pesa0809chapter9.xlshttp://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/20...n-page-13.html

Originally Posted by Ignitionnet

Kinda. To be more exact London and the South subsidise the rest of the UK, Scotland is the 3rd highest value per head region, ahead of all of England apart from the above, however it has higher public spending.

The most subsidised area is Wales, followed by the North East then the North West. The South East and London subsidise the most, the South West is the only other region, full stop, that pays its own bills.

http://www.statistics.gov.uk/pdfdir/gva1209.pdf
http://www.hm-treasury.gov.uk/d/pesa0809chapter9.xlshttp://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/20...n-page-13.html

None of which is remotely surprising in a country that has valued extreme centralization of both business and government over many years.

The trend has thankfully begun to be reversed in recent years (the decentralization of the BBC is a good example of it). Scotland suffers to an unreasonable degree because of this. It is, historically and even today in terms of much of its legal and administrative infrastructure, a distinct nation in its own right (much more so than Wales, which has never had any political identity in any meaningful, modern sense).

[vanman]

looks like students in the UK are not the only ones

STUDENTS in Italy protesting state university budget cuts have clashed with riot police who used tear gas and police vans to seal off much of Rome's historic centre to stop the demonstrators from reaching Parliament.

Read more: http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news...#ixzz16ny7iTCt
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-11877337

The protests turned briefly violent as students - about 3000 in all with a core group of about 200 - poured onto the main thoroughfare of the historic centre, throwing eggs, tomatoes and smoke bombs at police.
At one point, protesters tried to overturn a police van. Riot police charged after them, using tear gas.

At one point, protesters tried to overturn a police van. Riot police charged after them, using tear gas.

Why can the Police in the UK not do this? They trashed a van a few days ago and seemingly got away with it, well apart from one poor soul who it seems posing in stolen riot gear has 'ruined his life' . . .

I do not live in London thankfully, but if i did and had to put up with these hooligans i would be all for it.

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by Chris

If you want to look at it that way, London subsidises the rest of England.

For the purposes of budgetary control, the Welsh Assembly and the Scottish Executive are effectively just Government departments. They receive a grant just the same as Education or MoD does in London. The only difference is, these 'departments' are responsible for a range of services, not just one. So they have some freedom to decide how to divide up the money between the services they control.

Wales is not, however, getting more money in order to protect its students from fees. It is simply making university education a higher priority than something else. Once they spend the money on this, it won't be available for whatever else.

Oh really. So what are they cutting back on? Along with Scotland they get more money per head of population than England and so can give out this and many other freebies.

[vanman]

apparently

He told AMs he was proposing to pay for the subsidy by top-slicing the teaching grant for Welsh universities.

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by vanman

apparently

Doesn't that mean that they are effectively taking money from Welsh Universities and giving it to English ones?

[frogstamper]

Originally Posted by nomadking

Oh really. So what are they cutting back on? Along with Scotland they get more money per head of population than England and so can give out this and many other freebies.

This has been going on for decades in Britain and many many other countries also, its totally unrealistic to expect each area of a nation to be as competitive and productive as its regional neighbours.
The idea is that we all pull together and money is spent in the areas of greatest need, thats what nations do.
I mean we are hardly going short in the south-east and London...as mentioned above if the Welsh Assembly choose to subsidize their higher education it means they'll have less to spend on other public services.

[nomadking]

If the level of extra need was genuine, then they wouldn't have these surpluses because they would be spending it on that extra need.

Originally Posted by nomadking

Oh really. So what are they cutting back on? Along with Scotland they get more money per head of population than England and so can give out this and many other freebies.

Here:

He told AMs he was proposing to pay for the subsidy by top-slicing the teaching grant for Welsh universities.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-11878033

"He" is Leighton Andrews, the Welsh Assembly's education minister. He is effectively telling the institutions themselves that they will have to spend less on teaching.

As regards who gets 'more' and who gets 'less' in the UK, why whinge about Wales and Scotland getting more than England when different regions within England get more or less than each other? Or do the differences in spending levels between, say, Birmingham and Newcastle not matter, because they're both in England?

[nomadking]

But the English regions cannot give out freebies like this because apart from anything else, the amount of extra money is not as great as for Wales and Scotland.

There are no freebies - what is spent in one place cannot then be spent somewhere else. And don't try to quietly ignore that there are variations in regional spending in England as well.

What English regions lack is the ability to vary spending priorities from Westminster ... if you don't like that, why not campaign for regional devolution? Prezza actually tried to introduce it a few years ago, but the good people of the northeast voted against it.

[nomadking]

Until recently, Wales and Scotland had so much extra money they could dish out things like free prescriptions without finding the money from other areas. Nowadays the extra money has already been allocated elsewhere and so they do have to find it from other places.

[Derek]

Originally Posted by nomadking

Until recently, Wales and Scotland had so much extra money they could dish out things like free prescriptions without finding the money from other areas. Nowadays the extra money has already been allocated elsewhere and so they do have to find it from other places.

Oh please

Do you honestly think the devolved sections of the UK get a huge extra wodge of cash basically stealing food from the mouths of poor, starving English folk?

They get broadly the same amount and considering other factors like it's greater geographical area it's not really a huge difference.

The free prescription thing is a fairly useful gimmick hat isn't actually that expensive to implement. The powers that be up here and in Wales decided that it would be better to do that and do without other things.

[vanman]

well it looks like English students have support in europe.

Greek police clash with students at British embassy

http://uk.reuters.com/article/idUKTRE6B12WS20101202

Protesters carried a banner reading, in English: "Solidarity to the struggle of British students