All Chipped Cable Boxes Going Down

[Kymmy]

Originally Posted by Masque

I know that our engineers can and do confiscate illegal boxes when they get called out for a fault of any type,

Even if the box isn't an original NTL/TW/VM one? If so are they now guilty of theft themselves??

Having the equipment isn't illegal just recieving subscription content without paying is

[talktalkfan]

Originally Posted by Masque

With our system though we see both the card and the box and they must match in order to work as we have to provision them with each other.

I peronally will like to reply to this in 1 Years times.....

Never Say Never

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Originally Posted by Kymmy

My little black scooter is a KWAK as well (GPz900R), In pieces atm for a rebuild whilst I redesign the fairing..

Oh very nice, so what did you hit

[Kymmy]

Originally Posted by talktalkfan

I peronally will like to reply to this in 1 Years times.....

Never Say Never

Yep, I think though Masque is forgetting that most machines capable of CS are also capable of spoofing a machine ID, it's nothing like having a firmware modified NTL/VM box and in the end although it will reduce the number of dodgy boxes about will not kill the hard core people..

Makes you wonder why VM then has devoted time and effort with N3 when IPTV is probably a lot more likely to reduce the non-subscription viewers to zero??

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Originally Posted by talktalkfan

Oh very nice, so what did you hit

Nothing, just got tired of the black and gold so I thought whilst I did the rebuild I'd do a redesign at the same time.. In the mean time I have use of one of the works bikes (super tenere)

[Peter_]

Originally Posted by Kymmy

Even if the box isn't an original NTL/TW/VM one? If so are they now guilty of theft themselves??

Having the equipment isn't illegal just recieving subscription content without paying is

If the box cannot be taken then I expect that all their services would be frozen until the box is removed which takes care of that.

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Originally Posted by talktalkfan

I peronally will like to reply to this in 1 Years times.....

No one has cracked it in 3 years so they are taking their time.

[Kymmy]

Originally Posted by Masque

If the box cannot be taken then I expect that all their services would be frozen until the box is removed which takes care of that.

And at that point is when we get a post from their next door neighbour that they've discovered another cable in thier outside box going into next doors property

It all begs the question as to how many people ever get prosecuted for "theft of services" in relation to digital TV ???

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Originally Posted by Masque

No one has cracked it in 3 years so they are taking their time.

Again, CS isn't cracking and doesn't involve the creation of a cracked N3 key, instead it's about sharing already valid keys/card details and box ID's via a network..

[Peter_]

Originally Posted by Kymmy

Again, CS isn't cracking and doesn't involve the creation of a cracked N3 key, instead it's about sharing already valid keys/card details and box ID's via a network..

I know about that but as we are talking about 2 different items I meant NAGRA3 and should have said so in that post.

[talktalkfan]

Originally Posted by Masque

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No one has cracked it in 3 years so they are taking their time.

I`m not saying it will get cracked, i`m saying I will reply in 1 Years time, by that time i`m sure some form of CS on cable will be prolific and if it takes Virginmedia aka NTL the same time it has took to combat the mass piracy on it`s network for at least the past 4 years then god help em...

And if we are going to split hairs with Nagra 3 crack opposed to CS, CS is manipultaion of the card to get working ECM`s, hence in my eyes is classed as cracked as the system is compromissed to allow Pirate viewing, yes counter EMM`s will be developed but like I said, SKY (NDS) have tried this..


As a side note, i`m seeing a vision, Nagra 3 in Armour riding up on his horse

[TheDon]

Originally Posted by Masque

Yes that will be an interesting one for them to work on cable, it is supposed to be fairly easy on SKY.

With our system though we see both the card and the box and they must match in order to work as we have to provision them with each other.

Which is EXACTLY the same as sky's white card, which works perfectly with CS, software cams have been able to emulate boxkeys for years.

Make no mistake, people in n3 areas are using cardsharing to view n3 channels as we speak.

Originally Posted by Masque

They are still selling the boxes and telling their customers that the new box cannot be blocked by NAGRA3 so those people are the ones to laugh at when the pretty warning screens start to appear and they have no comeback.

Depending on the box, that could be true. Some of the well known 3rd party boxes just needs a dongle to enable cardsharing, and as of now there's not much you can do to stop it.

Seriously, no one needs to crack n3, as long as the codewords can be decrypted from the ECM and then read by someone then it's open season. Be that by emulating the stb's boxkey, or if improvements are made in future that stop the smartcards working in 3rd party cams, reading them direct from memory. The weak link here isn't the encryption, it's that the CAS codewords HAVE to exist at some point in plain text.

Originally Posted by Kymmy

Even if the box isn't an original NTL/TW/VM one? If so are they now guilty of theft themselves??

The copyright act gives broadcasters certain powers in seizure and forfeiture of infringing receivers, it is probably covered by that (but IANAL).

[Kymmy]

Originally Posted by Masque

I know about that but as we are talking about 2 different items I meant NAGRA3 and should have said so in that post.

But his original post that you responded to was about CS, no-one here (including talktalkfan) has said that N3 will be cracked

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Originally Posted by TheDon

The copyright act gives broadcasters certain powers in seizure and forfeiture of infringing receivers, it is probably covered by that (but IANAL).

Nothing to do with the copyright act, Theft of digital broadcast services is part of the telecommunications act I do though understand what you mean but I doubt that a tech will be empowered as such, he is though empowered to disconnect the home from cable if the need arises

[TheDon]

Originally Posted by Kymmy

Nothing to do with the copyright act, Theft of digital broadcast services is part of the telecommunications act I do though understand what you mean but I doubt that a tech will be empowered as such, he is though empowered to disconnect the home from cable if the need arises

Incorrect. It's EVERYTHING to do with the copyright act.

Section 297 is where the offence of fraudulent reception of television services is covered, and the following section is the one that gives the right of seizure to broadcasters.

[Kymmy]

I stand corrected now you;ve got me thinking as to what I recently read in the datacomms act

[Peter_]

With regards seizure of equipment you would need one of the technicians to tell you what they can do if they see illegal equipment on an account.

[talktalkfan]

Originally Posted by Masque

With regards seizure of equipment you would need one of the technicians to tell you what they can do if they see illegal equipment on an account.

I would of thought a court warrant at least would be needed..

[Rockabilly Spike]

my former boss was prosecuted by Telewest/Virgin Media for selling dodgy boxes.
I worked for him at a PC store as a salesman and tech (there was only 4 of us)

the police raided the business on a quiet tuesday afternoon as part of Operation Kilohertz.
three of us were arrested (4th was on day off and wasnt arrested), we were taken and held for around 7 hrs before being questioned by people from NTL/Telewest along with a police officer and legal rep (if required)
I had no idea that my boss was doing this sort of thing, I just worked there.
At the time I lived with my Dad who was a virgin media customer.
as the property wasnt my own, they couldnt ask me for permission to search the place and would need a warrant.
they didnt bother.
I was released on bail for 9 months and when I returned was told I was being let go with no further action.
my 3 colleagues were re-arrested again and by this time Virgin Media had acquired Telewest NTL.
it went to trial and my former boss was prosecuted for £40,000, 12 months suspended for 12 months and 300hrs community service.
my fellow tech was also prosecuted but only given a 12 month supervision order.
he left the company during the trial too.

not long after I was made redundant.

[talktalkfan]

Originally Posted by Rockabilly Spike

my former boss was prosecuted by Telewest/Virgin Media for selling dodgy boxes.
I worked for him at a PC store as a salesman and tech (there was only 4 of us)

the police raided the business on a quiet tuesday afternoon as part of Operation Kilohertz.
three of us were arrested (4th was on day off and wasnt arrested), we were taken and held for around 7 hrs before being questioned by people from NTL/Telewest along with a police officer and legal rep (if required)
I had no idea that my boss was doing this sort of thing, I just worked there.
At the time I lived with my Dad who was a virgin media customer.
as the property wasnt my own, they couldnt ask me for permission to search the place and would need a warrant.
they didnt bother.
I was released on bail for 9 months and when I returned was told I was being let go with no further action.
my 3 colleagues were re-arrested again and by this time Virgin Media had acquired Telewest NTL..

Sounds nasty, actually sounds more like guilty until proven inocent