The 2010 General Election Thread: Week 1

[Osem]

Originally Posted by peanut

"Gordon Brown says three Labour politicians accused of theft will have to pay back their legal aid". (Sorry no link as yet, only just came up on the bbc news ticker).

(update)
Headline changed, it's now "Gordon Brown 'thinks' three ex-Labour MP will have to pay back expenses case legal aid"

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politi...10/8617252.stm

Three ex-Labour MPs will probably have to pay back the legal aid they are receiving to fight charges over their expenses, Gordon Brown has said.

... and pigs may fly....

Originally Posted by punky

I think clack is a bit unfair.

Agreed.

Originally Posted by punky

I've been listening to Cameron and Brown next to each other a lot lately and one thing that's becoming more apparent is that Cameron seems to be passionate about what he believes and wants to do. Brown just seems to be saying it as a matter of course.

Also agreed - What you see is what you get with Brown and besides this is a leader who allowed the expenses system to be abused - do we really want to have another term with the same muppets who allowed a system to be abused so easily and then only made real changes to it once their greed got found out?

[Osem]

Originally Posted by Mick

Agreed.



Also agreed - What you see is what you get with Brown and besides this is a leader who allowed the expenses system to be abused - do we really want to have another term with the same muppets who allowed a system to be abused so easily and then only made real changes to it once their greed got found out?

Unlike Cameron or Clegg, Brown's got the Dark Lord breathing down his neck and pulling strings so what he believes, what he says and what actually happens could be quite different things.

[Ignitionnet]

The Tory manifesto is an extremely interesting one, after a swift flick through it it's very centrist in my opinion.

The Labour one is quite authoritarian left, indeed it's the most left wing manifesto we've seen from Labour since the early 90s at least, though that was before I would have taken an interest and again purely my opinion.

The opinions of people who are somewhat older and remember the politics more clearly would be most welcome.

[Flyboy]

Originally Posted by foreverwar

My apologies for only pointing out that Labour were using negative tactics - I think it is wrong of all parties to do so.

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Those two statements appear contradictory.....

What about the hypocrisy of "Gordon" and "Mandy" and "Ed" proclaiming far and wide that the Tories are going to raise VAT, but when asked for a guarantee that they would not raise the rate of VAT, were not forthcoming? (or is it only hypocrisy when someone else does it, and prudent and being open to changing circumstances when your own party does it? ).

But I was referring to the criticisms many levelled on Gordon Brown after his interview and the parallels to the interview with David Cameron last night and the hypocrisy attached to those criticisms, not about manifesto promises. Although I am sure there many hypocrisies on all sides with their election promises.

[Flyboy]

It appears that if you want to stop the re-introduction of fox hunting and you live in the South-West, you would be better off voting Labour or Green.

Most candidates in South West support fox hunting ban

Here is a run down of the support (or lack thereof) for repealing the ban.

Conservatives (23 candidates who responded)
0 would retain the ban
18 would vote to repeal the ban,
2 would abstain,
3 were undecided

Labour (22 candidates responded)
22 would retain the ban
0 would vote to repeal the ban

Lib Dem (20 candidates responded)
13 would retain the ban
3 would vote to repeal the ban
4 were undecided

Green Party (15 candidates responded)
15 would retain the ban
0 would vote to repeal the ban

UKIP (23 candidates responded)
3 would retain the ban
9 would vote to repeal the ban,
6 would abstain,
5 were undecided

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Oh dear....they just can't seem to get to right:

Keane 'horrified' by Tories' use of hit single

This morning's "rally," is fast becoming "Dave's" Sheffield moment.

[punky]

I'm glad flyboy has his priorities right.

Anyone think he's really John Prescott posting under a pseudonym?

[broadbandking]

I am voting UKIP or BNP, most likely UKIP as BNP are alittle to extreme for me but have some good ideas, main reason for me liking UKIP is to keep us out of Europe, I don't want the euro it will destory us, but knowing England we will end up bowing down and taking it up the rear from stupid MP's.

Originally Posted by broadbandking

I am voting UKIP or BNP, most likely UKIP as BNP are alittle to extreme for me but have some good ideas, main reason for me liking UKIP is to keep us out of Europe, I don't want the euro it will destory us, but knowing England we will end up bowing down and taking it up the rear from stupid MP's.

too late we've been in europe for years
seriously though ,i agree with you on not joining the euro ,but at the end of the day i think we won't have much choice in a few years as possibly more countries join leaving us isolated

[Gary L]

Not long ago had 'IP impact party' drive past the house. you can't hear a word they were saying it was played through speakers too deep and too much bass. sounded like one of them braindeads in a car with the subwoofer on.

[alferret]

Originally Posted by punky

I'm glad flyboy has his priorities right.

Anyone think he's really John Prescott posting under a pseudonym?

LMAO you beat me to it, I was thinking the same

Originally Posted by Flyboy

It appears that if you want to stop the re-introduction of fox hunting and you live in the South-West, you would be better off voting Labour or Green.

Most candidates in South West support fox hunting ban

Here is a run down of the support (or lack thereof) for repealing the ban.

Conservatives (23 candidates who responded)
0 would retain the ban
18 would vote to repeal the ban,
2 would abstain,
3 were undecided

Labour (22 candidates responded)
22 would retain the ban
0 would vote to repeal the ban

Lib Dem (20 candidates responded)
13 would retain the ban
3 would vote to repeal the ban
4 were undecided

Green Party (15 candidates responded)
15 would retain the ban
0 would vote to repeal the ban

UKIP (23 candidates responded)
3 would retain the ban
9 would vote to repeal the ban,
6 would abstain,
5 were undecided

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Oh dear....they just can't seem to get to right:

Keane 'horrified' by Tories' use of hit single

This morning's "rally," is fast becoming "Dave's" Sheffield moment.

Things must be getting desperate, if "you" are canvassing for tactical voting; not sure your "party" is going to win on it's own merits?

"I" would have thought "people" would be more interested in the economy, health, education, policing, employment, etc etc - but no, let's focus on some "people" on "horses" who chase "foxy-woxy".....(btw, "I" don't support "fox-hunting", just like most of the "Tories" I know - but that wouldn't help "your" stereotyping and rabble-rousing, would it?).

Funny, I don't remember David Cameron shouting "We're all right! We're all right!" during his speech....

And "oh dear", "you" are right - using a "Keane" song without prior permission is going to lose the "Conservatives" the election; this will be the defining moment.







(not)

[Tezcatlipoca]

Originally Posted by Chris

It looks to me like Gord's socialist instincts are coming to the fore. Their cover art reminds me of this sort of thing:

You're not the only one...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2...nifesto-launch

Originally Posted by The Guardian

Anatomy of a photograph: Labour's election manifesto launch

3 The manifesto cover
It's good of Labour to send itself up. Picking up, it seems, from Private Eye's fortnightly teasing, by which Gordon Brown is depicted as the Supreme Leader of some decidedly half-cock Soviet-style state, here we see a heroic communist-style family, circa 1945, gazing into the bountiful lands of New Labour's next five year plan. The sun will shine, always; fields will yield record crops, and cities – misty in the distance – will be the New Jerusalems of a strong and joyous future. This is, by any standards, an enjoyable satire and the designer – a Tory in disguise? – deserves to win an award along the lines of Comic Political Illustrator of the Year.

Originally Posted by broadbandking

I am voting UKIP or BNP, most likely UKIP as BNP are alittle to extreme for me but have some good ideas, main reason for me liking UKIP is to keep us out of Europe, I don't want the euro it will destory us, but knowing England we will end up bowing down and taking it up the rear from stupid MP's.

I am genuinely curious as to which of the BNP's policies you consider to be "good"?

Not picking on you, or anything, just honest curiosity as to what you (or anyone else) would consider to be a "good idea" of the BNP?

And how, even if any of their ideas could be considered "good", you (or anyone) could justify their most definitely not-good ideas which would accompany any "good" ideas if they ever had any sort of power (given that the BNP are a racist party, given that they do not consider non-white Britons to be British & wish for them to sod off to their "country of ethnic origin", and given that the BNP's very raison d'etre is the creation of an overwhelmingly white-British United Kingdom by stopping & reversing non-white immigration etc. etc. etc.). You can't vote just for their "good" ideas, given that the whole point of the party is to implement their bad ideas.

Enjoy



Labour Manifesto 2010: A Future Fair For All

The Scottish Labour version - the same cartoon, but with Scottish accents, Dad used to work at Ravenscraig, and Gran's off to the bingo instead of her own home (and it mentions tough action on knife crime at about 1:12, which isn't in the UK version (it mentions police spending more time on the beat)).

[Xaccers]

Originally Posted by foreverwar

Enjoy



Labour Manifesto 2010: A Future Fair For All

The Scottish Labour version - the same cartoon, but with Scottish accents, Dad used to work at Ravenscraig, and Gran's off to the bingo instead of her own home (and it mentions tough action on knife crime at about 1:12, which isn't in the UK version (it mentions police spending more time on the beat)).

Hang on, that video says "with more police on the beat" but weren't Labour told off for adverts saying the same when it isn't true?