How to make students even more unpopular

[Flyboy]

Originally Posted by Stuart C

I wonder if it's really just a badly thought out attempt at shocking the grown ups. What I mean is that traditionally there has always been a group of teenagers who like to feel they like something that pushes the boundries of what society will accept. They have always had something they can use for this. In the 50s and 60s, it was music and increasingly suggestive dancing. In the late 70s, they had the whole punk scene. The 80s and 90s bought drugs into the mix.

What do they have they can shock us with now? There are people who still do the above at 40, 50 or 60..

I am not defending the students. They are making fun of one of the darkest events in Hunan history. This is wrong.

This is probably true, but there has to be limits. This was an ignorant, crass and disrespectful display of childish behaviour. The trouble is, because of the nature of this so-called act rebelliousness, it will have undoubtedly attracted the Nazi faithful to the group and served to promote the Nazi ideals.

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Originally Posted by Damien

You don't have any reason to suspect his kids didn't pay attention.

I wasn't referring to RizzyKing's children, I was referring to the students.

Originally Posted by Flyboy

This is probably true, but there has to be limits. This was an ignorant, crass and disrespectful display of childish behaviour. The trouble is, because of the nature of this so-called act rebelliousness, it will have undoubtedly attracted the Nazi faithful to the group and served to promote the Nazi ideals.

No it didn't. People can be very outrageous because they enjoy being outrageous but because they generally hold those beliefs. It's a far cry from idolising or promoting those ideals. If anything it's mocking them, subverting them for (their idea of) comical effect.

Any true Nazi would probably dislike their tone which showed to respect to the Nazi or their ideals.

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Originally Posted by Flyboy

This is probably true, but there has to be limits. This was an ignorant, crass and disrespectful display of childish behaviour. The trouble is, because of the nature of this so-called act rebelliousness, it will have undoubtedly attracted the Nazi faithful to the group and served to promote the Nazi ideals.

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I wasn't referring to RizzyKing's children, I was referring to the students.

My bad. Sorry.

[Flyboy]

Originally Posted by Damien

Did they do History GCSE? I mean I thought the syballus is set so it didn't matter where you were you had to learn about Nazi Germany.

Indeed, that is the whole point of the national curriculum. I have a niece, who lives at the other end of the country and Flyboy10 and her had quite a discussion on the subject sometime ago, as she was studying the same subject, at the same time.

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Originally Posted by RizzyKing

Isn't history a core subject anymore ? and if it isn't why isn't it surely learning of the past should be something everyone does it was a core subject when i was at school. If it is now an optional subject then no they probably didn't do it but again i would ask why learning about your nations past isn't a required thing surely that explains a lot about why some of our youth have identity issue's when they don't even get taught about their nation.

As far as I am aware, it never has been compulsory after, what is now, year ten. When I was in the third form we had to take our options and History was one of them. The only "core" subjects back then were engilsh, maths and PE.

I appear to be invisible again..and as a supply teacher currently working in secondary education I thought I had already explained the National Secondary Curriculum.

But by all means completely disregard what I've posted as I'm bound to be incorrect..Despite having covered History,RE,Geography lessons with Years 7-11 within the last 3 months...

You did explain it well thank you Maggy but even before upper school they didn't get taught anything about the war which if they should have been is making me a little angry. In our town this is a constant running dispute as there seems to be differences between what our kids are being taught and what kids in other schools are taught and has led to some quite fierce confrontations between pta's and head teachers and the like.

But on the subject of history as i said kids that went to schools in other towns relatively local also were not taught anything about the world war's with the common response when you ask who churchill was being "isn't that that dog on the tele" which i find a more then a little disheartening. I am not saying all of these students were ignorant in fact someone clearly wasn't as he got the names correct and the context but i do doubt all of them are aware of how offensive and disgusting this is.

Hopefully someone at their uni will now take them all to one side and explain why this "game" is causing people upset and offense and hopefully apologies will be issued by those concerned.

I don't doubt that those who set this up, and a good number of those taking part, were fully aware of what went on during the period of history they were referencing. The problem, I think, is that they didn't consider (or didn't care) how their jolly student japes might play to people outside their own very narrow peer group.

That's an entirely different problem, and one for society at large, rather than schools, to address.

There are a lot of problems in this country we as a society need to start addressing sooner rather then later but as long as we have short termism in politics we will get nothing more then what sounds good at the time they want our vote.

Originally Posted by RizzyKing

You did explain it well thank you Maggy but even before upper school they didn't get taught anything about the war which if they should have been is making me a little angry. In our town this is a constant running dispute as there seems to be differences between what our kids are being taught and what kids in other schools are taught and has led to some quite fierce confrontations between pta's and head teachers and the like.

But on the subject of history as i said kids that went to schools in other towns relatively local also were not taught anything about the world war's with the common response when you ask who churchill was being "isn't that that dog on the tele" which i find a more then a little disheartening. I am not saying all of these students were ignorant in fact someone clearly wasn't as he got the names correct and the context but i do doubt all of them are aware of how offensive and disgusting this is.

Hopefully someone at their uni will now take them all to one side and explain why this "game" is causing people upset and offense and hopefully apologies will be issued by those concerned.

Rizzy, History is a very LARGE subject.As it is large parts that I would deem necessary to teach our youngsters does get rushed through or glossed over.All our Ancient history is barely ever touched on and the way in which History is taught makes it one of the hardest subjects on the timetable.

Children are asked to look at source material and 'infer' what the picture,carving,letter,book extract means.Some of the language used is archaic and the average child from the average housing estate school will not have the vocabulary to understand what they have to infer.Even I as an adult with the vocabulary(acquired from years of avid reading) have trouble with this form of 'self education'.Also much of the 'historical' facts I learned have been currently questioned and found to be incorrect or mere propaganda.Richard the Third being a prime example.

Sadly there are present generations of children who are NOT reading for pleasure but spend a lot of their time game playing or surfing the net.They don't know how to read and comprehend what they read..Something I have seen happen in the classroom with more and more regularity.Many read well but fail to understand what they read and thus fail to internalise what they read.Though there are many who won't admit to not understanding..they won't ask for help and it troubles me as to why they don't feel they can ask.

[Flyboy]

Originally Posted by RizzyKing

You did explain it well thank you Maggy but even before upper school they didn't get taught anything about the war which if they should have been is making me a little angry. In our town this is a constant running dispute as there seems to be differences between what our kids are being taught and what kids in other schools are taught and has led to some quite fierce confrontations between pta's and head teachers and the like.

But on the subject of history as i said kids that went to schools in other towns relatively local also were not taught anything about the world war's with the common response when you ask who churchill was being "isn't that that dog on the tele" which i find a more then a little disheartening. I am not saying all of these students were ignorant in fact someone clearly wasn't as he got the names correct and the context but i do doubt all of them are aware of how offensive and disgusting this is.

Hopefully someone at their uni will now take them all to one side and explain why this "game" is causing people upset and offense and hopefully apologies will be issued by those concerned.

Why are PTAs having fierce confrontations? PTAs do not have any confrontations, fierce or otherwise, with schools at all.