Ronnie biggs refused but now granted parole - Page 7

05-07-2009, 23:02

I do love the way some people on here seem to think this is some poor little neighbourhood kid done good being persecuted by the nasty establishment through no fault of his own. Oh wait this was a career criminal a piece of **** that made a good living off of ordinary normal people before he got involved in the train robbery he and they were sloppy got caught tried and sentenced.

He then escaped and spent the next few decades making a mockery of the entire country being more then happy anytime he was given the chance to rubbish it. He only came back because he had no more money to keep him going and needed medical care medical care i might add he never contributed to paying for through NI contributions and some of you think this is someone that should be released and be allowed to live out his last days with dignity.

Don't make me laugh what sort of message do you thnk your sending if he gets released because of some sop sentimentality and because he has people who can put him in the best light. Where does it stop what pensioner is it ok to go after and what ones do we pat on the back and say "your old you can do what you want".

His lack of risk to society has nothing to do with it because he was sentenced when he was a risk and never served that sentence. For those of you so fond of the past those old criminals had a rather good saying that applies here "if you can't do the time, don't do the crime" so RB and family shut up and go away.

05-07-2009, 23:17

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Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

All l am trying to say, is what can they guy do, he is very ill and cannot speak and depends on care, do you seriously want him to die in prison.

If that is what happens during him finishing his sentence, then yes ...

- you appear to have missed the point made all along, that if he hadn't absconded, his sentence would now be long over ...

**Maggy** · 05-07-2009, 23:28

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Originally Posted by homealone

If that is what happens during him finishing his sentence, then yes ...

- you appear to have missed the point made all along, that if he hadn't absconded, his sentence would now be long over ...

Arthur has also missed the other main points..that this lowlife has not once expressed any regret for his crimes or his absconding but above all for the injuries inflicted on Mr Mills.What he has done is jeer at the senior policeman who tried hard to recapture him,thumbed his nose at a country where he has made no positive contributions of tax or NI and hidden behind his son and mistress in Brazil.

05-07-2009, 23:32

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Originally Posted by Maggy J

Arthur has also missed the other main points..that this lowlife has not once expressed any regret for his crimes or his absconding but above all for the injuries inflicted on Mr Mills.What he has done is jeer at the senior policeman who tried hard to recapture him,thumbed his nose at a country where he has made no positive contributions of tax or NI and hidden behind his son and mistress in Brazil.

well said

Stuart · 05-07-2009, 23:56

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Originally Posted by Maggy J

Arthur has also missed the other main points..that this lowlife has not once expressed any regret for his crimes or his absconding but above all for the injuries inflicted on Mr Mills.What he has done is jeer at the senior policeman who tried hard to recapture him,thumbed his nose at a country where he has made no positive contributions of tax or NI and hidden behind his son and mistress in Brazil.

Good point.

TheDaddy · 06-07-2009, 06:09

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Originally Posted by Maggy J

So we can find Â£1.5 million to have a special old lags hospital but we can't build any more prisons..

If you could build a prison for Â£1.5 million we'd have hundreds of them

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Originally Posted by Maggy J

Arthur has also missed the other main points..that this lowlife has not once expressed any regret for his crimes or his absconding but above all for the injuries inflicted on Mr Mills.What he has done is jeer at the senior policeman who tried hard to recapture him,thumbed his nose at a country where he has made no positive contributions of tax or NI and hidden behind his son and mistress in Brazil.

Actually he did express regret in his autobiography and he also ran a carpentry business prior to the robbery, so may well of paid tax and NI

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Mr Straw’s decision was also criticised by a probation leader, the former Prisons Minister Ann Widdecombe, and prison reformers. Harry Fletcher, assistant general secretary of the probation officers’ union, said: “It’s difficult to see how he poses a threat to anyone apart from politicians.”

Ms Widdecombe said: “The prisons are bursting at the seams. The courts are being urged to let burglars go free, but one fairly doddery and very frail old man is being kept in prison. If you have got a prison place, for goodness sake use it to lock up someone who is genuinely a risk to the public.”

Mr Straw said that he was worried about Biggs’s potential to reoffend and his failure to take any courses while in prison to rehabilitate himself. “Whilst the medical evidence indicates that your ability to commit further acts of violence has reduced to a very low level, I am concerned that you might incite and be involved in such acts of violence, through association with criminal peers,” he wrote.

Take any courses? The man cant write or talk, how is he supposed to take courses and as for being involved with through association, well the same applies he cant be a conspirator if he can't communicate with them.

Mr Straw said that he was also worried by his “lack of repentance”

See autobiography reference above

**Maggy** · 06-07-2009, 07:37

Yes I can see that producing an autobiography as proof of repentance might not go over well with Mr Straw or any parole board especially one that details how you got one over on the establishment..

TheDaddy · 06-07-2009, 15:27

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Originally Posted by Maggy J

Yes I can see that producing an autobiography as proof of repentance might not go over well with Mr Straw or any parole board especially one that details how you got one over on the establishment..

You seem to be making quite a few false statements in this thread, the parole board said he should be released, it was Straw flexing his political muscles that went against them, shame of it is he picked the wrong bloke, every day violent offenders are let out to terrorise the public and Jackie boy wants to prove how tough he is on crime by leting a minor league crook die in jail, it's to late anyway, we all know this country operates a system of crime without punishment and soft on crime, tough on the victims of crime

**Maggy** · 06-07-2009, 15:32

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy

You seem to be making quite a few false statements in this thread, the parole board said he should be released, it was Straw flexing his political muscles that went against them, shame of it is he picked the wrong bloke, every day violent offenders are let out to terrorise the public and Jackie boy wants to prove how tough he is on crime by leting a minor league crook die in jail, it's to late anyway, we all know this country operates a system of crime without punishment and soft on crime, tough on the victims of crime

The parole board was in favour on humanitarian grounds...

and the other false statements?

TheDaddy · 06-07-2009, 15:51

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Originally Posted by Maggy J

The parole board was in favour on humanitarian grounds...

and the other false statements?

That he hadn't offered any contrition, that the money spent on a hospital wing is in some way linked to not building anymore prisons, he never paid any tax...

Arthurgray50@blu · 06-07-2009, 16:54

Ian Brady comitted a sick crime, that deserved the hangmans noose, which l would have gladly pulled, all RB did was rob a mail train.

papa smurf · 06-07-2009, 16:59

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Originally Posted by Arthurgray50@blu

Ian Brady comitted a sick crime, that deserved the hangmans noose, which l would have gladly pulled, all RB did was rob a mail train.

The Great Train Robbery is the name given to a Â£2.6 million train robbery committed on 8 August 1963 at Bridego Railway Bridge, Ledburn near Mentmore in Buckinghamshire, England. The bulk of the stolen money was not recovered. This was probably the largest robbery by value in British history, until the Baker Street robbery of 1971

big crime = big time

mr,m · 06-07-2009, 17:43

What a load of nonsense this is.
This story is Manna from Heaven for our pathetic excuse for a government. Look how strong and tough we are with violent criminals, yeah right! Unfortunately for Mr.Biggs, he chose to steal some money, in this country this seems to be the ultimate crime,Yup stealing some money, so he must now rot in hell, what a joke!
What (as an examle) are the killers of young James Bulger up to now? After virtually butchering him they received, eventually, 15 years, of which they served 8. They were given new id's and probably lead a happy life now, oh, of course, they just hacked a toddler to pieces. If they had stolen a couple of mill they'd still be banged up, regarded as dangerous criminals.
Jeeze our justice system is a damned joke, all Huntley has to do is say "oh, sorry about that" and he'll be out as well.
What use is there in keeping Biggs inside, answer, Mr.Straw means business, YEAH !!

**Maggy** · 06-07-2009, 18:06

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Originally Posted by TheDaddy

That he hadn't offered any contrition, that the money spent on a hospital wing is in some way linked to not building anymore prisons, he never paid any tax...

He didn't pay tax or NI for the entire time he wasn't in this country.Or do you know different?

As for the hospital wing that's just a red herring and a perfectly valid comment seeing as we have overcrowded prisons and there aren't enough spaces for all the lags we have without building special hospital wing for a very small number of inmates.

**Damien** · 06-07-2009, 19:01

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Originally Posted by mr,m

What a load of nonsense this is.
This story is Manna from Heaven for our pathetic excuse for a government. Look how strong and tough we are with violent criminals, yeah right! Unfortunately for Mr.Biggs, he chose to steal some money, in this country this seems to be the ultimate crime,Yup stealing some money, so he must now rot in hell, what a joke!
What (as an examle) are the killers of young James Bulger up to now? After virtually butchering him they received, eventually, 15 years, of which they served 8. They were given new id's and probably lead a happy life now, oh, of course, they just hacked a toddler to pieces. If they had stolen a couple of mill they'd still be banged up, regarded as dangerous criminals.
Jeeze our justice system is a damned joke, all Huntley has to do is say "oh, sorry about that" and he'll be out as well.
What use is there in keeping Biggs inside, answer, Mr.Straw means business, YEAH !!

He didn't just steal some money, his group seriously assulted the driver, stole 2.6 million, he then broke out of jail and spent the majority of his life with the money he had stolen in South America.

Now he is back people want to let him off? He is not a hero, he was a criminal.