The existence of God

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by Chris

And yet he still wants you.

Tell him to join the queue

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Originally Posted by lucy7

You sure do Gary!
One day, maybe!

Goodnight all, God bless, sweet dreams, my bed is calling me.

I swear I heard someone calling my name too

Originally Posted by lucy7

That is an atheists right Mischevious, they dont have to believe or offer up any evidence against.

It is possibly easier for them, as they do not have to speak up for what us believers see as Bible truth, when ones pesonal belief in God is challenged, or maybe a better word is, questioned.

Easier?Hmmm! I dunno about that..could be that it's harder to explain everything scientifically when there is as yet no scientific proof for every circumstance whereas those of faith can simply say I believe in spite of there being no proof of what they believe.

Hope that makes sense..I really should be in bed...

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Maggy J

Possibly but how many times has religion been made the scapegoat for bad behaviour when in reality it's been man's greed that instigates wars..indeed those so called crusades that were to reclaim the holy land(which we never owned in the first place) were nothing more than an excuse to exploit the situation to extract anything of value in any way possible including hostage taking for monetary gain...

The crusades cause was due to the expansionist Seljuk Turks threatening Byzantine Constantinople, nothing at all to do with religion, however what happened later like the Jerusalem massacre, the Children's crusade and Peter the Hermit's crusade were sadly caused by religious zeal alone.

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

The crusades cause was due to the expansionist Seljuk Turks threatening Byzantine Constantinople, nothing at all to do with religion, however what happened later like the Jerusalem massacre, the Children's crusade and Peter the Hermit's crusade were sadly caused by religious zeal alone.

Actually I rather think the Children's Crusade was a cruel financial venture on the part of some wily slavers...Indeed there is some doubt as to the truth of these incidents..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Children%27s_Crusade

Also I doubt that every member of any of the crusading armies were there purely for converting Muslims..they were there for what profit they could make..especially in opening up trade routes...

Sad how the pacifist religion of Christ got twisted by later generations into an 'army of God' when Jesus's emphasis was on the 10 commandments, especially that of 'Thou Shalt Not Kill'.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Maggy J

Actually I rather think the Children's Crusade was a cruel financial venture on the part of some wily slavers...Indeed there is some doubt as to the truth of these incidents..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Children%27s_Crusade

Also I doubt that every member of any of the crusading armies were there purely for converting Muslims..they were there for what profit they could make..especially in opening up trade routes...

Sad how the pacifist religion of Christ got twisted by later generations into an 'army of God' when Jesus's emphasis was on the 10 commandments, especially that of 'Thou Shalt Not Kill'.

I actually meant the parents thinking it was a good idea letting their children go in the first place!

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

I actually meant the parents thinking it was a good idea letting their children go in the first place!

Well it's apparently a misunderstanding over the word used to describe children in the original crusade..it may not have meant children but the poor that wandered nomadically through Europe at the time...So no parental permission needed...

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Maggy J

Well it's apparently a misunderstanding over the word used to describe children in the original crusade..it may not have meant children but the poor that wandered nomadically through Europe at the time...So no parental permission needed...

I think you are confusing that with Peter the Hermit because there is historical record that:

Towards the end of June the children massed at Vendôme. Awed contemporaries spoke of thirty thousand, not one over twelve years of age. There were certainly several thousand of them, collected from all parts of the country, some of them simple peasants, whose parents in many cases had willingly let them go on their great mission. But there were also boys of noble birth who had slipped away from home to join Stephen and his following of "minor prophets" as the chroniclers called them. There were also girls amongst them, a few young priests, and a few older pilgrims, some drawn by piety, others, perhaps, from pity, and others, certainly, to share in the gifts that were showered upon them all. The bands came crowding into the town, each with a leader carrying a copy of the Oriflamme, which Stephen took as the device of the Crusade. The town could not contain them all, and they encamped in the fields outside.

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

I think you are confusing that with Peter the Hermit because there is historical record that:

Towards the end of June the children massed at Vendôme. Awed contemporaries spoke of thirty thousand, not one over twelve years of age. There were certainly several thousand of them, collected from all parts of the country, some of them simple peasants, whose parents in many cases had willingly let them go on their great mission. But there were also boys of noble birth who had slipped away from home to join Stephen and his following of "minor prophets" as the chroniclers called them. There were also girls amongst them, a few young priests, and a few older pilgrims, some drawn by piety, others, perhaps, from pity, and others, certainly, to share in the gifts that were showered upon them all. The bands came crowding into the town, each with a leader carrying a copy of the Oriflamme, which Stephen took as the device of the Crusade. The town could not contain them all, and they encamped in the fields outside.

I'm not..there is a firm suggestion that the Children's Crusade is a medieval 'legend' according to modern historians.

Sad isn't it how they keep debunking one's favourite historical events.

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Maggy J

I'm not..there is a firm suggestion that the Children's Crusade is a medieval 'legend' according to modern historians.

Sad isn't it how they keep debunking one's favourite historical events.

Possible suggestion perhaps, to many people documented it at the time for it to be legend, embellished perhaps, made up unlikely imo.

And yes I have always been a fan, the Pied Piper tale was what first caught my interest in it.

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Possible suggestion perhaps, to many people documented it at the time for it to be legend, embellished perhaps, made up unlikely imo.

And yes I have always been a fan, the Pied Piper tale was what first caught my interest in it.

Don't forget the 'media' of the time was rather limited.It was all word of mouth and you know how a story can change if that's the only way it gets passed on.It's not like everyone could read.

[LondonRoad]

Is the BBC news magazine scanning CF for article ideas?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/7955846.stm

Originally Posted by harmitage

Is the BBC news magazine scanning CF for article ideas?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/7955846.stm

Interesting find..and thank you for dragging us back on topic..

[kingbuxton]

I try not to think about it, I don't believe, and haven't for many years. But then, I am not convinced with evolution. I also find it hard to grasp the concept of it all starts with a "Big Bang" OK, so what was floating around before that? Now, nothing can come from nothing, everything needs a start, and that start always has a preceding element........and on and on and on and on.....infinity, holy crap it's 3am!

I will say this, if some "Being" does exist, then I hope I get 2 mins to see him, would love to ask about the sick joke mankind is, I really want to hear the punchline.

They say God moves in mysterious ways! He certainly does. He seems to be Moonwalking all over us at the moment.

Seeing some of the stuff going on (and that has gone on, cheers www) do you really respect a God that allows that to happen? Especially, based on the fact that there can be only one, when he allows it to be done in the name of a false God, whichever that may be, although I don't believe in any of them...............and hence it's just a nice planet contaminated with a failed species!

[frogstamper]

Oohh poo I've only just found this thread, I trust everybody has had a good time with this old acorn? even Chris and Russ I expect.

Oh well I'll just catch the next thread on religion, I'm sure it won't be too long, maybe a nice one to get our teeth into would be....woo-wooo "Creationism".

[Gary L]

Originally Posted by kingbuxton

They say God moves in mysterious ways! He certainly does. He seems to be Moonwalking all over us at the moment.

Seeing some of the stuff going on (and that has gone on, cheers www) do you really respect a God that allows that to happen? Especially, based on the fact that there can be only one, when he allows it to be done in the name of a false God, whichever that may be, although I don't believe in any of them...............and hence it's just a nice planet contaminated with a failed species!

He made us, and won't help us. he leaves us to kill and to make each other suffer. it's all happening at the moment and we are all content because we know that after we have gone through the suffering stages and eventually die. we're going to heaven where there is no suffering.