Appalling stuff from the Daily Express

Originally Posted by etccarmageddon

surely this kind of talk about who does and who doesn't belong in this country is what causes division between race/ethnic origin? if there was no us/them attitude then we would be less likely to end up with home grown terrorists.

Exclude people from society, ignore and vilify them and they began to take to morph into the person society is telling they are. Be it terrorists or teenagers who end up shooting people at their school

[Xaccers]

Originally Posted by etccarmageddon

surely this kind of talk about who does and who doesn't belong in this country is what causes division between race/ethnic origin? if there was no us/them attitude then we would be less likely to end up with home grown terrorists.

The problem is, the single brain celled "special" people (to use Locky's description) believe the best way to remove the "us/them" attitude is to deport "them"

Originally Posted by Xaccers

The problem is, the single brain celled "special" people (to use Locky's description) believe the best way to remove the "us/them" attitude is to deport "them"

Funnily enough, according to research late last year by the IPPR, there are 1 million UK pensioners living abroad, and a total of 5.5 million Brits who have been living abroad for a year or more.

What happens if "their" Lockys start deporting "us"?

[Xaccers]

Originally Posted by foreverwar

Funnily enough, according to research late last year by the IPPR, there are 1 million UK pensioners living abroad, and a total of 5.5 million Brits who have been living abroad for a year or more.

What happens if "their" Lockys start deporting "us"?

Ah but you're forgetting they're British, so what country wouldn't want them?

[popper]

Originally Posted by Jefferson T

they?

them Sheffielder's, didnt you read it.

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Originally Posted by Locky

chavs eh ?

those that side with the invaders, will almost certainly perish along with them

well india(call centers), china(IT), and america(aircraft engines etc) dont seem to be doing to badly profiting off the invaders.....

sure, the native american indians havent had their day yet, but give it time....., they have shown the invaders that gambling centers are the way forward to both mass profit and keep the locals poor and addicted after all.

do you know your UK family tree locky?, how far back have you gone....

if you go back and deport your great,great,great grandad, does that mean you will never have your view of the world....?

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Originally Posted by Pia

I wonder if the standard of English will go down that is taught in classrooms so the multilingual kids have a better chance of keeping up with english speaking kids.....

sure , i think i take your point.., that being, are all the temp teaching force, that are the majority of upper school teachers today in the low income/deprived area's, good enough at teaching these deprived familys/kids the required long term life skills....

these multilingual kids will have to still do the same tasks, and so become far more bored in english rather than their native parents native language (scottish/welsh/irish/french etc) while the longer time english born familys kids struggle to learn peace meal, once they get to upper school.... and the temp teaching culture maggie and toney/gardon favour.

however,i assume you also teach your kids and dont leave it mainly in the hands the current UK schools system ?.

By the way, i'm not racist, and i don't preach or rant about the immigrants/muslims/state of the world today etc, but i kind of agree with Locky (in post 4), i don't fancy the idea of being in the minority one day, as a white brit.

sure, again you dont fancy being in the minority,understandable, try being a single parent male....; and be thankful how good woman really have it....

as far as im concerned , theres one race, and thats the human race.

all this your family tree came from a hot country and so your black, or your family tree came from a cold country so your white is bull, and just another excuse to place blame and make yourself (not you personally pia, just generally)feel better.

perfect example, Big Brother and playing the racist card, take another good look at the footage, and see all of them playing the game..., their out to win, and use any advantage they can, the same is true in real life....

the same was true in the witch hunter days, and many other long forgotten days...

[downquark1]

If there are so many are they still a minority?

Its often been said that racial differences will be eliminated as we "interbreed" forming a completely 'mixed race'.

This is the equivalent of some US right-wing commentators urging white Americans to have more children in order to counteract the Hispanic growth.

[popper]

Originally Posted by downquark1

If there are so many are they still a minority?

Its often been said that racial differences will be eliminated as we "interbreed" forming a completely 'mixed race'.

This is the equivalent of some US right-wing commentators urging white Americans to have more children in order to counteract the Hispanic growth.

if we all stayed in africa were we all started and never migrated, then we would all be black i suppose, back to the future!.

I am pretty sure we were all black 'at the start' anyway. White people seem to be another race that came out of that line and somehow took power early one. Leading to racism and the feeling morons have that white people are some how superior.

[Xaccers]

Racism is an extention of tribalism.
Course racists don't like it when you point out they have more in common with tribesmen than normal people have

[Womble]

Originally Posted by Damien

Exclude people from society, ignore and vilify them and they began to take to morph into the person society is telling they are. Be it terrorists or teenagers who end up shooting people at their school

mm interesting, cant wait for you to embrace Locky

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Originally Posted by Xaccers

Racism is an extension of tribalism.
Course racists don't like it when you point out they have more in common with tribesmen than normal people have

Absolutely, and after 2 million years do you think its going to be easy to stamp out? Hell no! But the powers that be keep throwing different races in together and bang on about living in harmony!!!
The fairly intelligent ones tolerate each other, even get on, but the majority stick to there own. This increases mistrust on both sides. When will the do-gooders admit racial harmony aint gonna happen for a few 100 years yet, and stop forcing it on people.
2nd Comment: all figures used are usually from the 2002 consensus, well out of date!
3rd: Some parts of large towns are majority Indian/Pakistani/West Indian (Delete as Necessary).
If you, as white person live there your perception will be differant to, say someone who lives in a nice white area, say Kent

[popper]

Originally Posted by Locky

it takes a special kind of person yes, you will need at least 1 braincell to comprehend

would love to stay and chat, but i have palces to go friends to see, fresh air to breathe, u might like to do the same

i wont take the same view as everyone else so far, dont go away just yet, as id like to try and understand your view.

it seems you have a view that we are being invaded, let me tell you as someone that also lives here, its the council that have already sold off the masses of schools and the shops for even more housing that we dont need that we should be putting our energys into, not invaders.

these new shoebox houses then have new familys move in, and need local schools and shops to go to and work in.

never mind..., the council members made a nice one time killing, and took the cash for investment in their personal pet projects etc elsewere, no new schools were built or even extensions added to the current overrun schools in these run down area's though, how could they , they dont own the land to expand anymore....

civic, what a joke of a main shopping center today.

so locky , given the above, why do you have the view you do?.

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Originally Posted by jtwn

What are we supposed to expect from a paper that calls it self 'The World's Greatest'.

Back in the day, I always used to immediately dislike any house I delivered that rag to on my paper round.

ohh so your a paperist then.

Originally Posted by Locky

chavs eh ?

those that side with the invaders, will almost certainly perish along with them

/ponders suspending posting rights as Locky's CF account has obviously been hacked by a deluded fascist with dangerously violent tendencies

[popper]

Originally Posted by Xaccers

Ah but you're forgetting they're British, so what country wouldn't want them?

Argentine malvinas?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falkland_Islands
"The islands are a self-governing Overseas Territory of the United Kingdom, but have been the subject of a claim to sovereignty by Argentina since the British invasion of 1833.[3]"

[BBKing]

I wonder if the standard of English will go down that is taught in classrooms so the multilingual kids have a better chance of keeping up with english speaking kids.....

Actually, there's an example of this four doors away at the primary school my son's going to go to - it's got a fairly high intake of non-English as first language children (from all over the place, particularly East Africa) and apparently (according to the headmistress) they get to exactly the same level in a year (so much so that their results are indistinguishable from native English speakers). The school's one of the top 200 in the country on last years results, which were admittedly exceptional. The key is probably that it's quite a well off area and a well-managed and resourced school.

Children learn fast, particularly when given help and encouraged to mix. It's quite common round here to see an Asian woman in full headscarf etc. chatting to her offspring in her own language and being answered in a broad Lahndan accent, innit. Knowing more than one language should be an advantage, anyway.

Back to the Express - the article was a mashup of an article in the Sheffield Star, which was based on a council report that says the opposite of what the Express is trying to make out - namely that Sheffield is a multicultural city and *it works very well, thank you*. The council want to keep things that way.

Apparently the press office is fed up with the Express, which they think didn't read the report before going to press. Now, is it the council 'throwing different races together', in Womble's charming phrase, or the Express grossly misrepresenting a report they haven't read as effectively BNP propaganda that's acting in the irresponsible manner?

http://5cc.blogspot.com/2007/06/expr...ing.html#links

[Womble]

Originally Posted by BBKing

Now, is it the council 'throwing different races together', in Womble's charming phrase, or the Express grossly misrepresenting a report they haven't read as effectively BNP propaganda that's acting in the irresponsible manner?

http://5cc.blogspot.com/2007/06/expr...ing.html#links

What I was trying to convey, was not everyone is ready to be multi-cultural, sorry if it came out wrong
As for Locky, its ill thought arguments like his that make the "right wing" unelectable. The day an eloquent right winger is born we maybe in some trouble!