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Old 21-10-2004, 00:15   #46
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Re: Returning something back...Questions..

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Taking a tad , ignore if you want lol...

"Returning something back"- where else would you be returning it? Doesn't make sense.

OK, feel free to give me the treatment, but it's annoying me. Oh and I've just got 50/50 on the spelling test thing on tv.
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Re: Returning something back...Questions..

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swat, you just had to brag didn't you
Was banely pathetic though, anyone not getting 50 is either dyskelsic (sic) or needs to go back to school.
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Old 21-10-2004, 01:17   #48
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Under the circumstances we are happy to accept the product back into stock subject to a re-stocking fee of 15%.
Ok, first of all, don't get suckered by their BS! You have a *LOT* of rights in this situation, don't let them flim-flam you into giving them away (you might also want to have a word with your local Trading Standards, depending on the details).

Secondly, what *exactly* are the circumstances?

You say "Ok scenario is im returning something back because it doesnt work properly maybe because its a voltage issue and my computer isnt compatible with it."

Did you buy the item by mail order? (I presume so)

Did you get any information or advice from the seller regarding using this item with your computer? Did they say it would work with your system?

1) Under the Sale of Goods Act 1979 all items sold must be "As Advertised" (ie fit the description given), "Of satisfactory quality" and "Be fit for purpose".

Now if it was reasonable for you to assume that what you had bought was compatible with your computer (ie the information given with the product on their website or wherever you saw it) or, especially, if a member of their staff had said that it should be or was compatible, then you have a right to reject the item as "not as advertised" or "not as fit for purpose".

2) If the item didn't work and it was reasonable to expect that it would, you can reject it as not being "of satisfactory quality".

3) Under the Sale and Supply of Goods to Consumers Act 2002 you have the legal right to choose repair, replacement, partial or full refund or compensation if a fault appears within 6 years (5 years in Scotland) and it is reasonable for you to expect that it would last that long.

If this happens within 6 months of purchase the onus is on the retailer to prove that the fault was *not* present at time of purchase.

4) Under The Consumer Protection (Distance Selling) Regulations 2000 you have a seven day cooling off period from the date of the initial purchase under which you can reject the goods without giving any reason, however if you do this, you probably will have to pay the postage charges to return the item.

5) HOWEVER: If the item was faulty you can reject it and you are *NOT* obliged to pay the cost of returning the item.

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Originally Posted by The Consumer Protection (Distance Selling) Regulations 2000

Right to cancel
10. - (1) Subject to regulation 13, if within the cancellation period set out in regulations 11 and 12, the consumer gives a notice of cancellation to the supplier, or any other person previously notified by the supplier to the consumer as a person to whom notice of cancellation may be given, the notice of cancellation shall operate to cancel the contract.

Recovery of sums paid by or on behalf of the consumer on cancellation, and return of security

14. - (1) On the cancellation of a contract under regulation 10, the supplier shall reimburse any sum paid by or on behalf of the consumer under or in relation to the contract to the person by whom it was made free of any charge, less any charge made in accordance with paragraph (5).

[...]

(5) Subject to paragraphs (6) and (7), the supplier may make a charge, not exceeding the direct costs of recovering any goods supplied under the contract, where a term of the contract provides that the consumer must return any goods supplied if he cancels the contract under regulation 10 but the consumer does not comply with this provision or returns the goods at the expense of the supplier.

[However note:]

(6) Paragraph (5) shall not apply where -

(a) the consumer cancels in circumstances where he has the right to reject the goods under a term of the contract, including a term implied by virtue of any enactment[my emphasis], or

(b) the term requiring the consumer to return any goods supplied if he cancels the contract is an "unfair term" within the meaning of the Unfair Terms in Consumer Contracts Regulations 1999[10].

Also:

Restoration of goods by consumer after cancellation

17. - (1) This regulation applies where a contract is cancelled under regulation 10 after the consumer has acquired possession of any goods under the contract other than any goods mentioned in regulation 13(1)(b) to (e). [Not relevant to you]

[...]

(4) The consumer shall not be under any duty to deliver the goods except at his own premises and in pursuance of a request in writing, or in another durable medium available and accessible to the consumer, from the supplier and given to the consumer either before, or at the time when, the goods are collected from those premises.

[...]

(7) Where, at any time during the period of 21 days beginning with the day notice of cancellation was given, the consumer receives such a request as is mentioned in paragraph (4), and unreasonably refuses or unreasonably fails to comply with it, his duty to retain possession and take reasonable care of the goods shall continue until he delivers or sends the goods as mentioned in paragraph (5), but if within that period he does not receive such a request his duty to take reasonable care of the goods shall cease at the end of that period.

(8) Where -

(a) a term of the contract provides that if the consumer cancels the contract, he must return the goods to the supplier, and

(b) the consumer is not otherwise entitled to reject the goods under the terms of the contract or by virtue of any enactment,

paragraph (7) shall apply as if for the period of 21 days there were substituted the period of 6 months.

[ie the 6 days stipulation was theirs it is probably nonsense]

[Additional Notes]

Regulation 17 provides that on cancellation of the contract the consumer is under a duty to restore goods to the supplier if he collects them and in the meantime to take reasonable care of them. The Regulations do not require the consumer to return goods but if he is required to under the contract and does not do so, he must pay the cost to the supplier of recovering them.

For fuller information see:

http://www.hmso.gov.uk/si/si2000/20002334.htm - Distance Selling Regulations.

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Please find attached label to use on your return. [...]

We recommend that all parcels are sent †œsigned forââ‚Âà ‚¬Ãƒâ€šÃ‚ with enough compensation for lost or damaged packages.
So depending on exactly what the details are, you may well be entitled to tell them to take that attached label, fold it until it's all sharp corners and then shove it...!

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In the terms it mentioned when returning things return it in its original box with packaging and stuff, do they mean the box for the actual product or the box that the product was put in and sent off in (which is like 6 times as large as the good, and i threw away the weird white things that cushion things dunno what its name is, forgot lol, but i hope they arent too specific).
Even if you do have to return the item, your "duty" is only to take "reasonable care" of the item, the law says nothing about packaging! (It would, however, include instruction manuals etc)

If they're charging you a re-stock fee this is to cover their lost profits as they should *NOT* sell the item again as "new" since it's not (and if they do they're being very naughty!).

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How do i send it off back to them?
As mentioned above, if you've got reasonable grounds to reject it as not working when it should, you don't have to send it back unless *they* pay for it or agree to re-imburse your costs. You can tell them that it is available for collection from your place *at a time of your convenience!*

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first time returning something back. And ive got 6 days to do it...
Where did this "6 days" figure come from? If they told you that, what reason did they give for it?

One other thing of note: If it cost over £100 and you paid by Credit Card (but not Debit Card) then under Section 75 the Consumer Credit Act the credit card company is jointly and severally liable for the completion of the contract, ie if you get no joy from the retailers, you can demand your money back from the Card Company!

So nil illegitimi carborundum! Take a good read of the above and you may well find that you're entirely in the right and they can take a running jump!
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Old 21-10-2004, 01:26   #49
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I bought some PC bits early Sept from OEM supplier.

When built the PC was unreliable.

Talked to returns department who asked me to return mobo, cpu, memory and cooler.

I asked about the cost of the return to me and was told to chase it with Customer service. Thought nothing of it because I had done this before with them. I only asked as I had not dealt with this person before.

Tried to claim back the money today and was told that the company does not refund returned items as they have a return to base (rtb) warrantee now. I explained that I had had this done before AND was told when I returned the goodds that I should take it up with Customer services.

They replied that they rarely refund postage nowadays and basically took the attitude of "tough luck....goodbye".

Looking at my rights on the Office of fair trading it says that I do not have to pay for faulty goods to be returned.

Now, I didn't know this at the time and what defines bulky? Also they could argue that the goods were not yet proven to be faulty, whereas I would say they were.....

Does anyone know where I stand?
Ok, first of all read my post above.

Basically, though, if the goods were faulty or not fit for purpose, as you said, you're not required to pay to return them. You did, but this can probably be considered a gesture of goodwill on your part and not part of any contract.

They are obliged to supply you with working items under the Sale of Goods Act and you have the right to reject them under that, no matter what their warranty may say (a warranty is not part of the original contract).

Consequently IMO you have given them (implicit) notice that you were rejecting the items by returning them and should not have had to do this at your own cost as per the Distance Selling Regulations.

It sounds like they're just trying to brush you off in the hope that you'll give up, but don't!

You might also like to have a word with Trading Standards who will probably take a dim view of their attitude.
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Re: [merged] Returning something back...Questions..

Thanks for the long reply graham lol.
I bought it from an online site, brother used his debit card to buy it and i gave my brother the money to do so.
I had posted asking about the product on their forum (which has now been taken off maybe for a while but they had one and its no longer there). They just said it had a set of attachments which you could connect to the socket into your AC socket and will work for many clone laptops. Figured id give it a go seeing as i doubt there was that many different variations of AC socket, my biggest worry wasnt if it didnt work but if it blew my computer up...(glad it didnt lol).

They said 7 work days after delivery to return it, the 6 days was because i already had it for a day (during the night i tested it and didnt work).

Anyhow its got posted off so not much i can do now i just want my money back lol.
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Old 21-10-2004, 12:53   #51
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Re: [merged] Returning something back...Questions..

Thanks to whoever merged these.

Can I make a suggestion that the two messages be combined and made into a "sticky" topic (no, not a melted chocolate and hazelnut bar! ) because I've posted this sort of stuff a couple of times at least with people wanting to know what their rights are for returning duff goods bought by mail order etc and it would be useful to have it permanently available (and save me having to type it all out again )

Thanks.
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Re: [merged] Returning something back...Questions..

even better, how about creating an "article" out of it. Some of your stuff sure is useful to be able to refer to.
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How long do you need to wait for the refund?.
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Re: [merged] Returning something back...Questions..

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How long do you need to wait for the refund?.
How long is a peice of string?
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in metrics or imperial? :P

seriously, do i need to wait a while (ie a week) or will they put it back into my brother's account as soon as they get it which they should of by now.
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even better, how about creating an "article" out of it.
Err, how do you do that?
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Re: [merged] Returning something back...Questions..

Well i cant remmeber how long it was since i sent it to this week, but I had nothing put into my brothers account from the place I ordered from. Thought i would end up losing the full 200. So on the recommendation from my brother I emailed them mentioning when i sent it off and asked whether it was accepted or not and if it wasnt why (i tore the box up a small bit cos the stuff inside was more than the box itself :C oddly enough. ). Anyhow sent me an email a few days ago, and a day after said they will look into it and report back ASAP. Well today my brother got a letter off them (since he used his card to buy it) and managed to get 160 back so im glad i didnt lose the full 200.

So thanks for everyone who helped me out sending it off.
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