*MERGED* Militant Cyclists & Joggers - Page 5

17-12-2003, 23:57

led lights = low battery use - that is their only advantage, flashing, or not!

Gaz

Xaccers · 18-12-2003, 00:28

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Originally Posted by Graham

This is a total non-sequitur. Please stick to the subject.

Appologies, I thought you were talking about cycling as being a valid alternative to driving.

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Originally Posted by Graham

I refer you to Basa's message about the mounted police above!

Cool, so I can speed cos I've seen police cars doing the same? Alas, I fear it wouldn't stand up in court.

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Originally Posted by Graham

A flashing light is more noticable than a solid one. That is why car indicators flash.

A flashing light with sufficient "latency" that it does not have a distinct "off" phase on a bike is noticable and not difficult to track. I know, I've seen both.

You mean ones which I mentioned, which are constantly on, but increase their brightness instead of flash?

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Originally Posted by Graham

I don't want to "get worked up about it", however using expressions such as that are not helping the "I'm trying to be reasonable and grown up about this" image you seem to be trying to project here.

Next time, why not just avoid using the expressions in the first place?

Graham.... no wait, I'm not going to bother in case you read it in a negative light

zoombini · 18-12-2003, 11:01

Does anyone actually know any cyclist that have been abused by othe drivers & actually won when seeking police redress, court cases etc?

All too often I hear of those that have lost just because they are the bike riders.

Xaccers · 18-12-2003, 11:05

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Originally Posted by zoombini

Does anyone actually know any cyclist that have been abused by othe drivers & actually won when seeking police redress, court cases etc?

All too often I hear of those that have lost just because they are the bike riders.

I heard of a motorcyclist who witnessed a white van deliberatly trying to side swipe passing motorbikes.
When he passed the van, it tried the same trick but he grabbed it's wing mirror for stability, but the mirror broke off and the van drove away.
He reported it to the police (got the van's reg number) but they weren't interested, and actually said they could charge the biker with criminal damage because of the wing mirror!

basa · 18-12-2003, 11:27

OK..maybe we should digress :p back to the original topic of this thread i.e. 'Miltant cyclists'

Those cyclists that are 'militant' (and I suppose I would count mysef as one of those !

) are so because they feel somewhat altruistically that they are helping the environment in reducing congestion, pollution and probably the tax burden (healthier..so hopefully..accidents notwithstanding..less visits to hospital

), but are treated with disdain by motorists who are the very people causing the problem.

An apt clichÃƒÆ’Ã†â€™Ãƒâ€*Ã¢â‚¬â„¢ÃƒÆ’Ã¢â‚¬Å¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚Â© would be "If you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem".

Escapee · 18-12-2003, 11:42

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Originally Posted by zoombini

Does anyone actually know any cyclist that have been abused by othe drivers & actually won when seeking police redress, court cases etc?

All too often I hear of those that have lost just because they are the bike riders.

My father had a motorbike small 100cc thing, and he was overtaken by a lorry that decided to turn left when it was half way past him. He got knocked off and badly damaged his leg when part of the bike punctured straight through his skin.
The guy lost his licence and his job a few months later because we heard that he had knocked approx 3 people off motorbikes in as many months!

True story, happened about 15 years ago.

18-12-2003, 20:17

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Originally Posted by Xaccers

This is a total non-sequitur. Please stick to the subject.

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Appologies, I thought you were talking about cycling as being a valid alternative to driving.

I was, but in an *appropriate* context! I'm not talking about driving to Brighton or John O'Groats or carrying three children and a load of shopping.

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Cool, so I can speed cos I've seen police cars doing the same? Alas, I fear it wouldn't stand up in court.

Sigh, if you want to debate this seriously, please try to do so, otherwise I'm going to stop wasting my time replying to silly comments.

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You mean ones which I mentioned, which are constantly on, but increase their brightness instead of flash?

Now we're playing word games as to what "flash" means...

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Graham.... no wait, I'm not going to bother in case you read it in a negative light

Good.

peachey · 13-04-2004, 15:31

Have had a couple of run ins (no pun intended)
lately with militant joggers

usually in pairs who seem to think they can 'act the cop'
and stop traffic wherever and whenever they feel like

had once yesterday who took offence when I refused to obey his commands to stop the car and let him run by across the junction

**Maggy** · 13-04-2004, 15:33

Well pedestrians DO have right of way.If you don't believe me try knocking one down next time and see what happens.

peachey · 13-04-2004, 15:39

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Originally Posted by Incognitas

Well pedestrians DO have right of way.If you don't believe me try knocking one down next time and see what happens.

they don't have the right to run out in front of you

and this pair of clowns I am refferring to was wearing earphones/music

and would probably have the temerity to complain when they were run over
when it was all their own fault

looks like the green cross code fell on deaf ears in their case

**Maggy** · 13-04-2004, 22:13

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Originally Posted by peachey

they don't have the right to run out in front of you

and this pair of clowns I am refferring to was wearing earphones/music

and would probably have the temerity to complain when they were run over
when it was all their own fault

looks like the green cross code fell on deaf ears in their case

It is your job to be driving with due care and attention.That includes keeping a weather eye out for joggers,bikers,children,dogs,cats,motorbikes and other cars.You have to have a VERY good reason for knocking someone down.The police,the courts and insurance companies will want to know why if you do so.

Incog.

Xaccers · 13-04-2004, 22:19

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Originally Posted by Incognitas

It is your job to be driving with due care and attention.That includes keeping a weather eye out for joggers,bikers,children,dogs,cats,motorbikes and other cars.You have to have a VERY good reason for knocking someone down.The police,the courts and insurance companies will want to know why if you do so.

Incog.

I'm sure in the pedestrian section of the highway code (strange how pedestrians seem to forget they're covered by it too) it mentions the responsibilities of the pedestrian, and I'm pretty sure it covers the green cross code, ie stop look listen, don't cross between vehicles, wait for a safe gap in traffic, use pedestrian crossings if available.
If someone jumps out directly in front of you, no matter how much due care and attention you have, you're going to hit them (hopefully with a bump and not a splat)

peachey · 13-04-2004, 22:24

Yeah - I'm all on Xaccers side now

and check out which level of
hell we are on if you want to join the party

Xaccers · 13-04-2004, 22:25

http://www.highwaycode.gov.uk/01.shtml

**Maggy** · 13-04-2004, 22:29

Yes of course there is a certain culpability on the part of pedestrians BUT drivers have to be rather more careful than everyone else.A car is a very dangerous machine.

It does tick me off the way everyone just casually wanders around cars these days.I get just as incensed as peachey with 'pedestrians' when I'm trying to reverse out in the local supermarket car park.They just casually wander out behind you as if you are invisible,when it is OBVIOUS that you are reversing out of your parking bay.

Ignorance or contempt?I'm never sure.Familiarity maybe.Stupidity certainly.

Incog.