Coronavirus (OLD)

[jfman]

Originally Posted by nomadking

As your quote says, "his wife felt better and he returned to work.". All the fuss WASN'T about that. The fuss all happened, BEFORE that explanation. So all completely irrelevant.

Anything to defend him at all costs. The wife had symptoms - the instruction was clear. Isolate. Not hang around until she feels better and go back to work.

Originally Posted by nomadking

As your quote says, "his wife felt better and he returned to work.". All the fuss WASN'T about that. The fuss all happened, BEFORE that explanation. So all completely irrelevant.

Yet, lo and behold, in the very same quote...

That evening I returned home and discussed the situation with my wife. She was ill.

If only there had been some form of guideline for people who thought they, or someone in their household, had COVID-19...

https://assets.publishing.service.go...ce_diagram.pdf

Criteria and guidance applied as of 17/03/2020:

Incubation period = maximum 14 days
Day 1 is the first day of symptoms
The 14-day period starts from the day when the first person in the house became ill

If you live with others and you are the first in the household to have symptoms of coronavirus, then you must stay at home for 7 days

If anyone else in the household starts displaying symptoms, they stay at home for 7 days from when their symptoms appeared, regardless of what day they are on in the original 14-day isolation period.

Household members who remain well stay in self isolation for 14 days due to maximum incubation period, calculated from day 1 of first symptomatic person.

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by jfman

Anything to defend him at all costs. The wife had symptoms - the instruction was clear. Isolate. Not hang around until she feels better and go back to work.

It's not so much a matter of defending, it's pointing out ridiculous and biased comments, criticisms, and comparisons. Feeling better in the space of a few hours is NOT a sign. Dealing with the same people, that he'd been dealing with just a few hours earlier was less likely to be an additional problem.

She was ill. She might have Covid although she did not have a cough or a fever

So she had NO symptoms at that point. He was the one that developed symptoms, the NEXT day, AFTER the meetings.

28 March: Mr Cummings says he woke up "in pain and clearly had Covid symptoms, including a bad headache and a serious fever".

The spirit of the rule was to self-isolate. He still did that. He DIDN'T make the journey to visit a beach or to get a Big Mac, or to attend a party.



I obviously have to repeat the FACT, that the fuss came BEFORE the details came out(several weeks later), therefore totally UNCONNECTED to the fuss. The fuss and biased comments were(and still are) about the journey to the Durham area. Evidence to the contrary is.......?

Try criticising the Labour MP, who early on, attended two funerals(against the rules for all of them), neither of which he was actually related to.

WTF are we still talking about Dominic Cummings for, its old, irrelevant news now, move on people.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by nomadking

ridiculous and biased comments

A somewhat ironic critique of your fellow posters.

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by nomadking

Try criticising the Labour MP, who early on, attended two funerals(against the rules for all of them), neither of which he was actually related to.

My perception is that this is whataboutery and false equivalence. The opposition don't write the rules and then instruct people to follow them. And the MP in question didn't come up with some BS explanation of driving to Barnard Castle for an eye test.

Meanwhile, in the US

The US could soon see 100,000 new cases of coronavirus every day, the country's top infectious diseases expert has warned.
Dr Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute for Allergy and Infectious Diseases, told a US Senate committee that the daily surge in cases could more than double if Americans don't start following public health recommendations.

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavir...warns-12018285

[jfman]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

My perception is that this is whataboutery and false equivalence. The opposition don't write the rules and then instruct people to follow them. And the MP in question didn't come up with some BS explanation of driving to Barnard Castle for an eye test.

Meanwhile, in the US

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavir...warns-12018285

Entertainingly, or worryingly it depends on your stance I suppose, Fauci also reckons the anti-vaxxers will stop a vaccine alone hitting the necessary threshold once one is developed to eliminate the virus in the USA.

So the US economy is doomed for years to come in a state of distancing restrictions, partial lockdowns, etc.

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

My perception is that this is whataboutery and false equivalence. The opposition don't write the rules and then instruct people to follow them. And the MP in question didn't come up with some BS explanation of driving to Barnard Castle for an eye test.

Meanwhile, in the US

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavir...warns-12018285

It is those that referring to details that were UNKNOWN at the time of the fuss and nonsense, that are indulging in "whataboutery". They CAN'T have been a factor in the original comments. The fuss and comments were about the trip to the Durham area, and NOTHING else.

Link

Eye symptoms with Covid-19 are rare but not completely unheard of, the Royal College of Ophthalmologists and the College of Optometrists has said.
Like any upper respiratory tract infection, including colds and flu, it can cause irritation of the membrane covering the eye - a condition called conjunctivitis or pink eye - where parts of your eye become bloodshot.

From the US, about a month BEFORE the details.
Link

Yes, pinkeye, or conjunctivitis, has been reported to be a possible sign of infection from COVID-19. It is still uncertain exactly what percentage of patients with COVID-19 have ocular manifestations and different sources are reporting different numbers.
Although a recent study in JAMA Ophthalmology reported up to one-third of patients hospitalized with COVID-19 had ocular abnormalities, more studies are still needed. Of course, causes of conjunctivitis that are not COVID-19 related continue to persist.

How is self-isolating AFTER developing symptoms, worse that attend TWO large gatherings in the same day, merely as an observer?
Link

A Labour MP has been blasted for "endangering lives" by attending a large funeral and ignoring coronavirus lockdown measures.
...
Mr Ali reportedly attended two services that day, but has said he will "not be attending any other similar gatherings".

Which posed the greater danger?

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by nomadking

It is those that referring to details that were UNKNOWN at the time of the fuss and nonsense, that are indulging in "whataboutery". They CAN'T have been a factor in the original comments. The fuss and comments were about the trip to the Durham area, and NOTHING else.

Link
From the US, about a month BEFORE the details.
Link

How is self-isolating AFTER developing symptoms, worse that attend TWO large gatherings in the same day, merely as an observer?
Link

Which posed the greater danger?

If I point out all the issues I have with the above we'll never leave the topic and understandably the mods would red card us. Suffice to say if you make the rules you should abide by them or no on else will.

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Originally Posted by jfman

Entertainingly, or worryingly it depends on your stance I suppose, Fauci also reckons the anti-vaxxers will stop a vaccine alone hitting the necessary threshold once one is developed to eliminate the virus in the USA.

So the US economy is doomed for years to come in a state of distancing restrictions, partial lockdowns, etc.

The anti-vaxxers aspect is worrying.

[Taf]

I'd lay a bet that none of the halal shops or muslim sweatshops in Leicester, and elsewhere, have closed since the beginning of this pandemic, whilst hundreds of muslims have returned from Pakistan with no quarantine to overcrowded homes.

Our own "ethnic" street has been doing a roaring trade, so I can see that distinct probability nationwide.

[papa smurf]

Coronavirus: US buys up almost entire world supply of COVID-19 drug Remdesivir


https://news.sky.com/story/coronavir...sivir-12018430

[Mr K]

Originally Posted by papa smurf

Coronavirus: US buys up almost entire world supply of COVID-19 drug Remdesivir


https://news.sky.com/story/coronavir...sivir-12018430

There isn't a more self centred country in the world. And brexiteers seem to think the USA is going to offer us an amazing trade deal that will make up for leaving the biggest single market in the world on our doorstep

[papa smurf]

Originally Posted by Mr K

There isn't a more self centred country in the world. And brexiteers seem to think the USA is going to offer us an amazing trade deal that will make up for leaving the biggest single market in the world on our doorstep

Your biggest single market can't get it either,so you can't blame this on brexit.

This is why it's better UK scientists get to any promising treatments ahead of the States. If we get there first we can ensure we don't export any of the drug we have here and then tell the whole world at the same time that it works.

Originally Posted by Damien

This is why it's better UK scientists get to any promising treatments ahead of the States. If we get there first we can ensure we don't export any of the drug we have here and then tell the whole world at the same time that it works.