Coronavirus (OLD)

[RichardCoulter]

Just been on the local news that a woman from York was found wandering around the platforms of York railway station. She refused to give the police an explanation and has been fined £800.

It's the first time i've heard of any fines being imposed, hopefully because there aren't many people breaking the law. Has anyone else heard of any being levied?

I didn't realise that the fines would be so much, I could have sworn that it was going to be £60, reduced to £30 if paid within 28(?) days. I could have got this wrong though. Perhaps she also resisted arrest or something too?

[Pierre]

Well I’ve been in contact with several people I know that have/had it, and as has been posted the severity of the illness is on an individual basis.

But the two elements that seem consistent ( and this is based on a handful of people I know that thankfully have not needed hospital care) is severe breathing problems, so bad that it’s hard to talk, apparently quite distressing at the time, lasting typically for around 3-4 days accompanied with severe Muscle pain in the chest, arms, neck and abdomen. Apparently words cannot get across how it hits you. This is from people my age. 45-55,

But, thankfully, they have got over it.

I’m hoping not to experience it, where I am, I’m semi-rural my the family are staying put and I’m only going out for the shop when required, so I am hopeful we can dodge it.

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

Just been on the local news that a woman from York was found wandering around the platforms of York railway station. She refused to give the police an explanation and has been fined £800.

It's the first time i've heard of any fines being imposed, hopefully because there aren't many people breaking the law. Has anyone else heard of any being levied?

I didn't realise that the fines would be so much, I could have sworn that it was going to be £60, reduced to £30 if paid within 28(?) days. I could have got this wrong though. Perhaps she also resisted arrest or something too?

She was arrested, not given an on the spot fine.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-englan...shire-52121216

North Tyneside Magistrates' Court imposed a £660 fine under the Coronavirus Act 2020 on Monday.

Dinou, who did not enter a plea, was also ordered to pay a victim surcharge of £66 and costs of £85.

I dont quite get the victim surcharge bit, who was the victim here ?

[TheDaddy]

Originally Posted by Paul

She was arrested, not given an on the spot fine.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-englan...shire-52121216



I dont quite get the victim surcharge bit, who was the victim here ?

The victims of violent crime, iirc this is how the criminal injuries compensation scheme gets it cash now...

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

The victims of violent crime, iirc this is how the criminal injuries compensation scheme gets it cash now...

It's victim support services that gets it. Compensation whether from the offender or Government is separate.
Link

Revenue raised from the Victim Surcharge is used to fund victim services through the Victim and Witness General Fund – full list of the groups supported.

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Originally Posted by Hugh

Then they should have rung them...

I should imagine they had to spend enough time identifying the people in the first place. The only real difference is the possible acceleration of reaching the point of needing a ventilator. Realistically they would've been refused one in normal times as there would have been little point with incurable lung cancer.

[Mr K]

Even the Torygraph, the Boris appreciation fanzine, have turned against the Government; they're in big trouble when the fallout comes.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...ures-lockdown/

Ministers were on Wednesday night unable to answer basic questions about when Britain’s testing regime for coronavirus is to be increased dramatically in scale to allow the country to plan its exit from lockdown.

After days of mounting concerns over the growing testing crisis, it is still unclear when NHS workers are to be tested, when mass testing for the population is to be rolled out or even whether the Government has a plan to end the nation’s quarantine.

Wednesday’s death toll from the virus was 563, overtaking France’s highest daily figures and bringing the total number of deaths in the UK to 2,352.

Asked repeatedly at the Downing Street press conference about why Britain lags behind other nations in testing, Alok Sharma, the Business Secretary, said “increasing testing capacity is absolutely the Government’s top priority”, but failed to explain when the numbers would increase.....

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by Mr K

Even the Torygraph, the Boris appreciation fanzine, have turned against the Government; they're in big trouble when the fallout comes.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...ures-lockdown/

The testing machines still have to be used for everyday testing. That is why they exist. They weren't just sitting there doing nothing, just waiting for something like Covid-19 to come along.

[downquark1]

Originally Posted by Mr K

Even the Torygraph, the Boris appreciation fanzine, have turned against the Government; they're in big trouble when the fallout comes.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...ures-lockdown/

To combat the virus Boris has rightly or wrongly introduced what is pretty much a temporary communist system. The type of conservative that reads the telegraph is not going to be happy either way.

I'd predict the final fallout will depend on how badly other nations manage and how quickly the measures are removed. Sweden will be interesting.

Originally Posted by downquark1

To combat the virus Boris has rightly or wrongly introduced what is pretty much a temporary communist system. The type of conservative that reads the telegraph is not going to be happy either way.

I'd predict the final fallout will depend on how badly other nations manage and how quickly the measures are removed. Sweden will be interesting.

Quasi-socialist, surely?

If it was Communist, they would have "seized control of the means of production"*




*and stormed the Winter Palace...

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by RichardCoulter

Just been on the local news that a woman from York was found wandering around the platforms of York railway station.

Per the link posted by Paul, she was actually at Newcastle station and lived 90 miles away in York with no explanation for her journey. She hadn't just wandered down to her local station to stretch her legs.

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

Per the link posted by Paul, she was actually at Newcastle station and lived 90 miles away in York with no explanation for her journey. She hadn't just wandered down to her local station to stretch her legs.

Perhaps she was going to deliver essential supplies to her father, and sing happy birthday to him? Or is that feeble and non-existent excuse reserved for Labour politicians?

[1andrew1]

Originally Posted by Mr K

Even the Torygraph, the Boris appreciation fanzine, have turned against the Government; they're in big trouble when the fallout comes.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/202...ures-lockdown/

I imagine the Telegraph is in tune with its demographic who feel under threat from a lack of testing. Boris's position is not under threat so it's safe to highlight such issues.

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Originally Posted by nomadking

Perhaps she was going to deliver essential supplies to her father, and sing happy birthday to him? Or is that feeble and non-existent excuse reserved for Labour politicians?

If her father lived there, she'd done that, driven by car and provided that explanation to the police then I suspect she would have been ok too.

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by 1andrew1

I imagine the Telegraph is in tune with its demographic who feel under threat from a lack of testing. Boris's position is not under threat so it's safe to highlight such issues.

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If her father lived there, she'd done that, driven by car and provided that explanation to the police then I suspect she would have been ok too.

Even if she had been there long enough to put out chairs and take photos? His story was a complete fib from beginning to end.

[jfman]

Originally Posted by nomadking

Even if she had been there long enough to put out chairs and take photos? His story was a complete fib from beginning to end.

In your opinion it’s a fib, however you cannot prove so. The legislation on what you are and are not permitted to do is clear, and if you have “reasonable excuse” to be out of your own home the the burden of proof is of course with the officer and any subsequent prosecution that you were acting illegally.

[nomadking]

Originally Posted by jfman

In your opinion it’s a fib, however you cannot prove so. The legislation on what you are and are not permitted to do is clear, and if you have “reasonable excuse” to be out of your own home the the burden of proof is of course with the officer and any subsequent prosecution.

The mere fact that as I said, chairs were put out and photos taken. That was evidence of not being there just to deliver essential supplies, pictures of which were strangely missing. Was nobody else in the local Labour party prepared to do it?