SD : BBC to launch BBC One + 1, BBC Store and revamped i player

[Gavin-D]

The BBC is planning to launch a BBC One +1 channel, its director general Tony Hall has announced. Speaking at his first major speech since joining in April, Lord Hall said audiences expected a timeshift service that would give people "more of what they've already paid for". BBC One "has to be the nation's favourite channel, and also its bravest," he added. He also announced a revamped iPlayer, offering a 30-day catch-up period.

The service will also allow users to personalise their viewing experience, as well as watch programmes before they are broadcast on TV. In addition, a BBC Store will be launched, offering people in the UK the chance to buy BBC shows to watch and keep. Lord Hall said he wanted BBC Music to be a well-recognised brand like BBC News and BBC Sport, and that he wanted to offer more moments like this year's Glastonbury festival coverage, where six stages were streamed live to TV, radio, computers, consoles, tablets and phones.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-24442265

[Tricky Trevor]

So much for all the cut backs

[andrewbrown]

Originally Posted by Tricky Trevor

So much for all the cut backs

Really? The cost of a plus 1 and iplayer revamp will be minimal, but provide additional value. The istore will actually raise money.

[andy_m]

Originally Posted by andrewbrown

Really? The cost of a plus 1 and iplayer revamp will be minimal, but provide additional value. The istore will actually raise money.

The +1 is wasted money in light of the iPlayer revamp and given the number of repeats shown. I like the idea of 30 day catch up, the fact that the BBC understands the importance of alternative revenue streams, the desire for BBC Music to be an important part of what they do and the fact that there is a desire for BBC to be "bold". It isn't, currently.

Seriously? There are plenty of channels that show almost nothing except repeats, yet they do just fine with a +1.

+1 and catchup address two different segments of the viewing public. It is a generational issue to a certain extent, with younger people more willing to dive in and use catch up services like iPlayer and older ones less willing to do something new. +1 addresses those that don't want to engage with the technology, and also those that don't like to watch tv on a computer and don't own a TV capable of displaying iPlayer. And there are a lot of those.

The reason the BBC has not run any +1 channels until now is that they believed they had devised a comprehensive catchup solution with the iPlayer. The reason we are now going to get +1 from the BBC is that they have realised the iPlayer is never going to reach as far as they want it to.

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Chris

Seriously? There are plenty of channels that show almost nothing except repeats, yet they do just fine with a +1.

+1 and catchup address two different segments of the viewing public. It is a generational issue to a certain extent, with younger people more willing to dive in and use catch up services like iPlayer and older ones less willing to do something new. +1 addresses those that don't want to engage with the technology, and also those that don't like to watch tv on a computer and don't own a TV capable of displaying iPlayer. And there are a lot of those.

The reason the BBC has not run any +1 channels until now is that they believed they had devised a comprehensive catchup solution with the iPlayer. The reason we are now going to get +1 from the BBC is that they have realised the iPlayer is never going to reach as far as they want it to.

You mustn't forget also that even with a 30-day catch up service, which is very welcome by the way, the +1 channels still serve a purpose to those of us who can cope with the TIVO! I am still catching up with recordings that I made towards the end of last year, and so even 30 days is not enough for me on the i-Player! The number of programme clashes I get most evenings between 9 and 11pm means that a +1 BBC channel will be used quite a lot in my house!

[ocav]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

You mustn't forget also that even with a 30-day catch up service, which is very welcome by the way, the +1 channels still serve a purpose to those of us who can cope with the TIVO! I am still catching up with recordings that I made towards the end of last year, and so even 30 days is not enough for me on the i-Player! The number of programme clashes I get most evenings between 9 and 11pm means that a +1 BBC channel will be used quite a lot in my house!

I'm guessing Tivo will also be the only place on Virgin the 30 day catch up will be available.

Although we do have to wait for BBC Trust approval before 30 day catch up is green lighted

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by ocav

I'm guessing Tivo will also be the only place on Virgin the 30 day catch up will be available.

Although we do have to wait for BBC Trust approval before 30 day catch up is green lighted

You might well be right, ocav, because the BBC is obliged only to maintain the existing bespoke version of the Player on V and V+ boxes. I don't think there is any agreement that they will enhance or develop it in any way as all efforts now go into the standard version.

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

You mustn't forget also that even with a 30-day catch up service, which is very welcome by the way, the +1 channels still serve a purpose to those of us who can cope with the TIVO! I am still catching up with recordings that I made towards the end of last year, and so even 30 days is not enough for me on the i-Player! The number of programme clashes I get most evenings between 9 and 11pm means that a +1 BBC channel will be used quite a lot in my house!

Yes, I should have mentioned the issue of recording conflicts as well. My Echostar Freesat PVR has the ability to search for alternative broadcasts for recording when both tuners are already in use, but this is much easier for it to do when the channel in question has a +1 option.

[Perfect Choice]

Yes the BBC One +1 channel I see as very beneficial for scheduling recordings in the busy evening period and like Old Boy, I tend to record whole series before watching them months later as we always have a backlog of favourite series and watch 2 or 3 of them concurrently at a time so other series wait; its my own personal "content on demand"!

For BBC series, you may also not actually get repeats while the main series is running so +1 helps you manage your recordings.

Even if episodes are repeated, I assume that for a series link, Tivo still only searches for repeats (when clashes occur) on the same channel, so if it cannot record a programme on BBC1, it will look for repeats of that programme on BBC1 only and not look at the new +1 as a different channel number. Tivo has the capability to look across channels as that is how wish lists work, it is a shame they do not apply this software coding to series links as well, especially with plenty of +1 channnels in place so I can be even more lazy in planning my recordings!

[Doug P]

Good move by the Beeb...

[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by Perfect Choice

Tivo has the capability to look across channels as that is how wish lists work, it is a shame they do not apply this software coding to series links as well, especially with plenty of +1 channnels in place so I can be even more lazy in planning my recordings!

I might be wrong about this, but I seem to remember reading that VM made a decision to disable this feature. Does anyone else remember this, and if it is true, does anyone know why that decision was taken?

Nobody should quote me on this as my memory might be at fault here!

[andy_m]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

I might be wrong about this, but I seem to remember reading that VM made a decision to disable this feature. Does anyone else remember this, and if it is true, does anyone know why that decision was taken?

Nobody should quote me on this as my memory might be at fault here!

If they did I suspect it might be because somebody could set an hd series link and then discover an sd recording has taken place because of a clash.

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That and the fact that if you want TiVo to work in that way then you can use a wishlist!

TV llcence? <spit> no thanks. I am glad for all the on demand systems, means the best of both worlds!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5YGzqJf8yQI

[spiderplant]

Originally Posted by OLD BOY

I might be wrong about this, but I seem to remember reading that VM made a decision to disable this feature. Does anyone else remember this, and if it is true, does anyone know why that decision was taken?

VM didn't request this; it's a standard TiVo "feature".

Here's a relevant US-based thread.
http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb...d.php?t=434013