Programming Clash

PieOPah · 05-10-2009, 09:41

Recently I added Fringe on Sky One to my Program Planner for recording the series.

When I did this, I was instantly notified of a clash. Upon checking, I discovered that the clash was caused by the program directly following Fringe on the same channel (this was some behind the scenes program).

Firstly, I don't care about this second program but it has automatically been selected as part of the series link - anyway I can cancel just that part of the program?

Secondly, will the whole of the program still record even with the clash since it is on the same channel?

Many thanks,

12noon · 05-10-2009, 12:37

I had the same problem and just removed everything but the program. You could also set the black spot to the part that clashes and it will miss that bit out.

BTW i think stargate universe does the same thing.

Flyboy · 05-10-2009, 12:52

"Black Spot?"

12noon · 05-10-2009, 13:19

On the planned programs you will see some round record marks next to each program. When you have a clash, you can either remove a clash program or change the clash so that the program you want to record records.
If i remember, the black spot is the program with the clash that will not record.

PieOPah · 05-10-2009, 13:24

My main problem is that the program causing the clash is a program I don't actually want to record, it is just picked up as part of the series link!

And that Black Spot is an Exclamation Mark iirc...

nomadking · 05-10-2009, 14:34

If a program is set to record based on a series link, you still cancel the planned recording of that episode without affecting the other episodes.

What I find I have to do in order resolve clashes were there isn't really a clash, is to cancel the planned recording of all of the affected programmes and set the recordings individually.

The most common reason I find for the STB suddenly reporting clashes where there were none and there are still no genuine clashes, is when an update happens to the EPG because of a timing change(longer/shorter/later/earlier) to a programme. What I think happens is that the original planned recording is still in place when the STB checks whether the programme with the revised timing can be done because a potential clash.

It is possible to set your priority of programme types(planned/manual/series link) on the 'recording priorities' menu of the 'V+ extras' option(4) of the 'V+ recordings' menu(ie the V+ button). So you could set(if it isn't already) the V+ to record a planned individual recording instead of a series linked recording when a clash occurs.

chrome · 06-10-2009, 03:22

could also be the extended recording time at the start and the end as i found out

Itshim · 06-10-2009, 07:22

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Originally Posted by chrome

could also be the extended recording time at the start and the end as i found out

O yes in deed. The most common reason I find.

EBD3000 · 06-10-2009, 07:33

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Originally Posted by 12noon

BTW i think stargate universe does the same thing.

Yes it does.

I think its to do with the fact that originally Sky 1 were only showing one episode tonight at 8pm with the behind the scenes program at 9pm. Now they're showing the whole 2 parter tonight with the behind the scenes programme at 10pm.

I think it confused the v+ as I had the 2nd episode + the behind the scenes programme at 9pm.

Flyboy · 06-10-2009, 09:42

Aah, but it is heartening to know that if is this was Sky+, it would a far worse set of circumstances. At least if you are not recording another programme, even with the clash, the recording would not be affected. Under Sky+, with only its two tuners, you would see this problem all the time.

harryxb · 06-10-2009, 19:37

I have to say as a newbie to VM this clashing problem is something that is really getting on my wick! The VM+ is just so much high maintenance when you compare it to the Sky HD box. The added benefit of being able to record a second programme is just not worth the hastle, consecutive programmes just bring up clashes continually I do not want to manually record programmes but I will probably have to go that route.

I have problems with clashing, with Audio Description sound on C4HD , with the planner having films shown at the wrong time...(Thank goodness I have reconnected my sky box so I can check when films actually start! ) and I have never missed so many starts and ends of programmes before.

Unfortunately I am stuck with VM for another 10 months,3 weeks and 4 days so I suppose I will have to get used to what I consider now to be a totally inferior technology ....why oh why did I do it???...I could just have had the broadband and phone and would have been very happy

Oh and by the way I do not work for Sky, I just expect technology to work properly before it is rolled out to paying customers.

Flyboy · 06-10-2009, 23:57

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Originally Posted by harryxb

I have to say as a newbie to VM this clashing problem is something that is really getting on my wick! The VM+ is just so much high maintenance when you compare it to the Sky HD box. The added benefit of being able to record a second programme is just not worth the hastle, consecutive programmes just bring up clashes continually I do not want to manually record programmes but I will probably have to go that route.

But Sky+ does exactly the same thing. It was continuously clashing, when I had it. But I do agree the Sky+ EPG was a bit smoother. But V+ has many advantages over Sky. Picture-in-picture, the programme being stored in the buffer when you are viewing the EPG etc. and the eighty hours of disc capacity, are just a few.

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I have problems with clashing, with Audio Description sound on C4HD , with the planner having films shown at the wrong time...(Thank goodness I have reconnected my sky box so I can check when films actually start! ) and I have never missed so many starts and ends of programmes before.

Then there must be something you are not doing quite right, because it is a rare problem the Flyboy household.

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Unfortunately I am stuck with VM for another 10 months,3 weeks and 4 days so I suppose I will have to get used to what I consider now to be a totally inferior technology ....why oh why did I do it???...I could just have had the broadband and phone and would have been very happy

I am sure you will find, over those months, how much better V+ is over Sky+. I was sceptical at first, but now I wouldn't dream of going back.

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Oh and by the way I do not work for Sky, I just expect technology to work properly before it is rolled out to paying customers.

A pity Sky didn't do that either.

P.S. Welcome to CF, by the way.

harryxb · 07-10-2009, 20:34

Thanks flyboy for the welcome

I know it must seem I am moaning for no reason.

I only found myself here to find out if I had just been unlucky with three faulty boxes. As it turns out , now having read a lot of the posts on here I can see they are not faulty its just the way they are. I will perhaps have to spend a lot more time getting to understand how the box works, not relying so much on the EPG and setting more manual recordings and not expecting too much.

I hope you are right that once the 10 months 3weeks and 3 days are up of my contract I will be happy to keep VM, in the meantime I will just whistle a happy tune

Flyboy · 08-10-2009, 11:56

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Originally Posted by harryxb

Thanks flyboy for the welcome

I know it must seem I am moaning for no reason.

I only found myself here to find out if I had just been unlucky with three faulty boxes. As it turns out , now having read a lot of the posts on here I can see they are not faulty its just the way they are. I will perhaps have to spend a lot more time getting to understand how the box works, not relying so much on the EPG and setting more manual recordings and not expecting too much.

I hope you are right that once the 10 months 3weeks and 3 days are up of my contract I will be happy to keep VM, in the meantime I will just whistle a happy tune

Not the best strategy to implement, to be honest. It will involve far more management and become more time consuming and will prove to be very inflexible. How often do you record three programmes at once? When you were with Sky, what happened when you wanted to record two programmes back-to-back? You can adjust the settings to prioritise the clashes, or set the recording extensions to zero. Which will reduce the impact of these issues.

nomadking · 08-10-2009, 12:11

The V+ removes the 'extend recordings' padding where necessary. If you have two recordings planned for 9-10pm and another for 10-11pm then the padding is not applied.

What I find happens, is that if I set two recordings for 9pm-10pm and the timing of one of those changes(earlier/later, shorter/longer), then when checking to see if the amended timing would cause a clash it still appears to have the original 9-10pm in it's list to check against. This means that the V+ thinks that there are two recordings set for 9-10pm and another set for example 9-10.05pm and so signals a clash where there really isn't one. It thinks of the amended timing as a new programme entry and leaves the original entry, in the list, but hidden.