O2 will trial fibre optic broadband in the UK

[muppetman11]

http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/...c-broadband-uk

[denphone]

Thats good but they are still miles behind Virgins fiber optic network.

[Mick Fisher]

Originally Posted by denphone

Thats good but they are still miles behind Virgin fiber optic network.

Good news from O2.

Hopefully Be will now get their ass in gear with a definate date instead of the vague "sometime in 2011" they have been promising since forever.

[Ignitionnet]

Ignoring the [Mod Edit] this is good and expected news. O2 have been upgrading their transport network for a while to introduce the required GEA handovers and allow them to upgrade their backhauls in a more measured way.

Given they run their network with zero visible contention as a target and have jitter and packet loss SLAs with their wholesale customers this has a lot of potential for those who desire low latency, low jitter and stability above all else, as well as people with high bandwidth requirements via their Be brand which will also have this available and business customers via their Be Wholesale partners.

Depending which products they take they'll have 40Mbit/2Mbit, 40Mbit/10Mbit and 40Mbit/15Mbit available right off the bat with 80Mbit/20-25+Mbit available next year once Openreach have permission from Ofcom to use VDSL 2 profile 17a.

Long awaited and very positive news, shortly to be joined by the last big LLU operator to join the GEA party, Sky.

Let's not try to get round* the swear filter, eh?

(*by using asterisks instead)

[Ignitionnet]

More on this from Be's MD.

http://blog.bethere.co.uk/2011/06/md...ing-talks.html

So our plans for fibre have to be something unlimited and unshaped too, otherwise it simply defeats the object of having greater speed. It’s great to be told you could get speeds up to some high level, but with traffic management it is unlikely you’ll get it for long. We are unlikely to be the cheapest in the market but we are determined to be the best.

Not bad for 'miles behind'.

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Originally Posted by Hugh

Let's not try to get round* the swear filter, eh?

(*by using asterisks instead)

It was the swear filter that put the asterisks in.

[Stephen]

Originally Posted by Ignitionnet

More on this from Be's MD.

http://blog.bethere.co.uk/2011/06/md...ing-talks.html



Not bad for 'miles behind'.

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It was the swear filter that put the asterisks in.

Well don't swear in future then.

[Turkey Machine]

Originally Posted by Ignitionnet

Ignoring the [Mod Edit] this is good and expected news. O2 have been upgrading their transport network for a while to introduce the required GEA handovers and allow them to upgrade their backhauls in a more measured way.

Given they run their network with zero visible contention as a target and have jitter and packet loss SLAs with their wholesale customers this has a lot of potential for those who desire low latency, low jitter and stability above all else, as well as people with high bandwidth requirements via their Be brand which will also have this available and business customers via their Be Wholesale partners.

Depending which products they take they'll have 40Mbit/2Mbit, 40Mbit/10Mbit and 40Mbit/15Mbit available right off the bat with 80Mbit/20-25+Mbit available next year once Openreach have permission from Ofcom to use VDSL 2 profile 17a.

Long awaited and very positive news, shortly to be joined by the last big LLU operator to join the GEA party, Sky.

Just a shame they peer with LINX only... oh, and they've forgotten Norwich, Yarmouth and Lowestoft exchanges.

[qasdfdsaq]

Finally. This is excellent news. An uncapped, low contention, unshaped service that's likely to be price competitive with VM and faster, meaning VM being no longer the only game in town for high download speeds. No doubt O2/Be will also deliver highly on other aspects of the service that VM traditionally fall over on too, such as jitter, loss, and of course 24-hour UK based customer services.

Just to be clear, we're talking about VDSL FTTC fibre right, not GPON or some other FTTP?

[danielf]

Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq

No doubt O2/Be will also deliver highly on other aspects of the service that VM traditionally fall over on too, such as jitter, loss, and of course 24-hour UK based customer services.

Be customer services is based in Bulgaria.

[Ignitionnet]

Originally Posted by Turkey Machine

Just a shame they peer with LINX only... oh, and they've forgotten Norwich, Yarmouth and Lowestoft exchanges.

They peer at LINX, not with them only.

http://www.db.ripe.net/whois?searchtext=as35228

The rest, well, so what? The rollout isn't complete yet. I'm sure the 50% of the country without cable services could bemoan the lack of them, quite irrelevant to the quality of the service in the cabled areas.

By the way:

NORWICH EANCC FTTC 2012 Norfolk County

Not forgotten, work in progress!

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Originally Posted by qasdfdsaq

Finally. This is excellent news. An uncapped, low contention, unshaped service that's likely to be price competitive with VM and faster, meaning VM being no longer the only game in town for high download speeds. No doubt O2/Be will also deliver highly on other aspects of the service that VM traditionally fall over on too, such as jitter, loss, and of course 24-hour UK based customer services.

Just to be clear, we're talking about VDSL FTTC fibre right, not GPON or some other FTTP?

Both FTTC and FTTP. They get an access network agnostic connection to the BT Openreach headend serving each group of exchanges and can take customers from both the FTTC and FTTP access networks if they choose.

[Ramrod]

Originally Posted by danielf

Be customer services is based in Bulgaria.

Thats never been a problem for me. Every time I have had to ring customer services or tech support I have had an excellent service, understood the person perfectly (something that cannot be said about India) and had my queries/problems resolved.
I have been with Be for 4 years so far and can't praise them enough.....

[qasdfdsaq]

Originally Posted by Ignitionnet

They peer at LINX, not with them only.

http://www.db.ripe.net/whois?searchtext=as35228

The rest, well, so what? The rollout isn't complete yet. I'm sure the 50% of the country without cable services could bemoan the lack of them, quite irrelevant to the quality of the service in the cabled areas.

By the way:

NORWICH EANCC FTTC 2012 Norfolk County

Not forgotten, work in progress!

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Both FTTC and FTTP. They get an access network agnostic connection to the BT Openreach headend serving each group of exchanges and can take customers from both the FTTC and FTTP access networks if they choose.

EEEEExxxxceellleeennt (Spoken in the tone of Mr. Burns).

There's a few exchanges with partial FTTP coverage in my city and I'm due to move in the next few months or so. This could be the year I finally get an acceptable upload speed on my home broadband and stop having to pay for (and manage) an offsite server.

[Mick Fisher]

Originally Posted by Ramrod

Thats never been a problem for me. Every time I have had to ring customer services or tech support I have had an excellent service, understood the person perfectly (something that cannot be said about India) and had my queries/problems resolved.
I have been with Be for 4 years so far and can't praise them enough.....

I'll certainly second that!

[danielf]

Originally Posted by Ramrod

Thats never been a problem for me. Every time I have had to ring customer services or tech support I have had an excellent service, understood the person perfectly (something that cannot be said about India) and had my queries/problems resolved.
I have been with Be for 4 years so far and can't praise them enough.....

Oh yes, I couldn't agree more. I was just pointing out that someone was expecting 24h UK based support (for no apparent reason) when Be doesn't provide that.