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Originally Posted by Sephiroth
Not at all, Andrew. I don't do emotion in the Forum.
The @Ian was very specific. He comes across in his posts as far less considered than you. The civilian death toll in this war is really regrettable. But Ian makes little or no allowance for the murderous attack by Hamas on 7-October. He has no realistic answer for how Israel should have reacted to the Hamas attack.
It is no good going back into history as to how Israel could have behaved in the past so as to avoid finding itself in its current position. Ian (and others) ignore the role of Iran in callously stirring this up. Ian ignores the barbarity of Hamas as being central to Israel's response.
As regards the second piece I've highlighted, what response by Israel would have been 'logical'? One could be 100% certain that Israel would provide an iron fist response to the Hamas attack and what is more, Iran and Hamas would have known that. Remember, those zealots believe in virgins in heaven.
As regards Netanyahu, who obviously wants to stay in power- the Ultras may well keep him there till the next GE just to keep their slice of power. Because of the Ultras, I can't help feeling that there is more grief to come for Israel. The Ultras' settlement programme in the West Bank pretty much guarantees that no political settlement is possible.
Shit creek, nix paddle and bigger shit to come.
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Seph, you "regret" the civilian death toll yet you sanction it? BTW, I am ignoring nothing here: you believe it seems that the "barbarity of Hamas" validates the killing of 1000's of children and the destruction of whole swathes of urban Gaza. I do not.
I agree with you regards the Ultra Zionists. They are the real issue here. If they, and Likud, could be side-lined and a more centralist government elected in Israel, there could be a process where the 2 State solution aligned with the Pre-1967 war borders, could be resurrected. Only by sponsoring the moderate Palestinians and delivering a Palestinian state, can extremists like Hamas finally be neutralised.
As you say, the biggest obstacle to this are the hard-line minorities in Israel, religious and otherwise.