[OLD BOY]

Originally Posted by TheDaddy

Call me a mad old fool but I'm not interested in can where my conditions and rights are concerned, I'd like the new plan set out before the old one is surrendered, we've been here before with trusting to hope and we held all the cards then too

Fair enough, that’s sensible.

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Originally Posted by jfman

Pray, tell, OB how much experience do you have setting up a business?

I have had plenty of experience in advising managers how to comply with employment legislation while remaining solvent, and the legislative burdens on businesses are pretty clear when you actually see the implications by dealing with real problems.

Honestly, jfman, this point about bureaucracy and how it drags down industry are plain to see. You don’t have to be doing it yourself to see how EU bureaucracy impacts businesses negatively unless you are walking around with eyes closed.

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Originally Posted by Hugh

I have read it (many times in the past, having run large teams/departments) - can you give examples of what the actual problems are (besides your stock answer of "too bureaucratic")?

These all look eminently sensible to me…



https://www.acas.org.uk/working-time-rules

It depends what kind of business you run. If, for example, you employ staff who are also sometimes caring for people who may need it overnight, the practice used to be that at those times you could actually sleep, but if you had to wake up to deal with a problem, you’d be expected to deal with it. For that, you would be paid an allowance plus an hourly rate for the hours you were dealing with the emergency. This arrangement worked perfectly well until the Working Time nonsense came in and employers were faced with claims that we had to pay the hourly rate at overtime rates for the whole night while on ‘waking duties’.

Another example - where manual workers signed up for emergency call-outs (for example, to clear snow on the roads) led to all sorts of problems with the additional hours worked on those days and nights, and also the costs involved compared with before.

We managed to find ways of making this work after a lot of work, but this effort would not have been necessary had it not been for these regulations, which many employers still find an encumbrance.

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Originally Posted by Hugh

That’s a "no", then…

Here’s a handy hint - if you’ve answered it before, why not just link to those posts?

Because I’m not trawling through my previous posts when you could do exactly the same.

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Originally Posted by GrimUpNorth

I seem to remember OB once letting slip he worked for the council.

I have worked for more than one employer in my working life, just like most people. The examples I have given are, in fact, council examples, which show that it’s not only profit-making businesses that are affected.