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Originally Posted by Damien
Technically drug use amongst the young has been declining.  |
On what planet is this? In my experience over the past 5 years even that is not the case. Everywhere you go up here someone is high or smoking cannabis
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Originally Posted by pip08456
I can't see what the issue is here. Even "us" leavers will agree we have no problem with a future relationship with the EU. We will trade with them, be their friend and ally. Just not at the expense of free movement of people for purposes of economic migration.
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And there is the crux of the matter. Indeed we will continue to be friends and trade and I have no problem with that. The FoM problem is the main issue. I've a feeling if Theresa gets in she'll accept that. If she does, why did we have the referendum? We'll end up worse off still bound by the same conditions as when we were full members.
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Originally Posted by pip08456
Who says so? No trade deal has been discussed as yet. Free movement is not a done deal to be able to trade with Europe otherwise Europe would only be able to trade within it's borders and a couple of countries on the periphery who's political elite wanted to join the EU.
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And remember we have the upper hand here. If they want their 60% or whatever we traded then they are going to have to give something back. We don't import half as much from the EU as they do from us so this gives us the advantage. If Germany still want to trade cars they will have to think carefully about FoM.
An idea would be to suspend FoM until we got on our feet then have it by all means but we determine how many can come in. Then we put a 4 year brake on it and if we need more after that we let more in. Just an idea. Any thought anyone?
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Originally Posted by Damien
What age is it that you work all this out then? Does someone come up to you at 35 and give you all the answers to everything. It seems what you said could apply to anyone regardless of age.
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No one gives you the answers, you learn from experience.
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Today's youth don't all want everything for nothing, they probably just want the same shot that our generation and, to an even greater extent, the one before ours had.
Indeed and in time they will realise what a big favour we did them by leaving the EU. On the News the other day it was said that the day after we left they loosened control on all their borders and let out plans for an European Army and that it was the beginning of a Super State.
We have saved the young from becoming part of a Big Brother Super State. What does it matter if a phone call costs a bit more? You were prepared to pay it before roaming came in. What does it matter if a holiday costs more? They would have increased the prices anyway.
Believe you me, we have saved your bacon and 43 years of experience gives me the right to say that. There's no on line site to bring you evidence it's just experience of the EU.
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Originally Posted by techguyone View Post
That's right, its quite strange how as people get older/wiser/more experienced, their viewpoint shifts from idealistic lefty leanings, to something more right thinking.
I don't know why, it just happens, and no doubt it will continue to happen, even for youngsters like ignition.
It's not strange at all. It's experience. I've been through all the Political phases in my lifetime from Communist to UKIP and now I've settled on the latter.
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Originally Posted by Ignitionnet
I specifically said 'free trade in goods and services'. Various member state leaders say so. All of whom must approve any deal.
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No point in negotiations then is there? That's us told!