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Originally Posted by Damien
Well it depends what you mean.
If it's the Eurozone crisis - we're not part of the Eurozone.
If it's the Migration crisis - we're not part of open borders.
These can both still hurt us of course but only in ways that would affect us inside or outside the EU. The one exception would be if migrants becoming EU citizens but I consider that not too big a problem. Whatever happens the EU will still be there and a vote to leave wouldn't stop those problems and won't stop them harming us.
I question the material consequence a vote would have on my life. At the moment I can't see much about my live that would be improved by leaving the EU. However if there is economic uncertainty in the aftermath of leaving then that could hurt me. I work in a service industry and if that takes a hit then it's also bad for me.
A vote to leave doesn't seem to solve anything but could pose new issues. I would rather have the stability.
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My point is not that these things don't/can't/won't affect us whether we're in or out but that they're examples of why the EU is a basket case. If that's the stability you speak of God only knows what the instability you fear will result from our exit looks like and why? What do you honestly think will happen if we stay in?
With the threat of the UK leaving gone and our negotiating position at rock bottom like it or not and sooner or later, new laws will be passed that benefit the rest of the EU and harm the UK's interests. As the second biggest contributor and the only one with any significant growth, we're going to be required to pay more in just for the privilege of keeping others afloat. They've already tried undermining the City of London and they'd love for Frankfurt to be numero uno. You need to understand that ever since we joined, they haven't had our interests at heart, they've had their own grand scheme at heart and they clearly aren't going to give that up any more than Hitler gave up ordering his model armies around as the Russians approached his bunker. There really is no greater uncertainty than putting yourself and your nation in the hands of people who only have one vision, patently refuse to learn from history and most worryingly of all refuse to change direction when all around them is chaos and they're heading towards a precipice. Having led us to where we are, God only knows what further madness they have in store for us.
For me the uncertainty of leaving is dwarfed by the certainty (based on what we can see going on around us) that the EU is a fundamentally flawed and failing concept which will continue to break apart. Now there's uncertainty for you.
What you're suggesting would be like staying in a relationship with a deranged partner but refusing to leave because you're worried that you'll meet someone worse.
In such a situation the only sensible thing to do is to move on and make damned sure you're a lot more careful next time, learn from your mistakes and forge new relationships with likeminded people. I think the UK can do just that quite nicely but fully accept that there will be some short term pain.
