Thread: Students Rioting in London.
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Old 13-12-2010, 19:58   #547
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Re: Students Rioting in London.
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Originally Posted by martyh View Post
Flyboy ,i am going to try to cut through you're rabid hatred of the police with some common sense .To answer your first question ,

quite self evident but here you go ,it means that approval has to be given by ministers thats the democratic bit ,once the approval is given to the head of a particular force then he/she will have the authority to approve it's use ,which will be monitored (that's the oversight bit) by said ministers

From what I remember being told about "democratic oversight" (again the clue is in the question), it has to be debated via the democratic process. That means parliament, involving all parties, not just government ministers. Because if it was just the ministers of one party, that would not satisfy the "democratic" bit.

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To answer the second question the person in the wheel chair was quite clearly being an idiot and refusing to move when told ,all he would have to do is stick his fingers through the wheels to stop the police from wheeling him away (again quite obvious) To prevent injury to said numpty in the wheel chair the police are quite correct in dragging him out of the chair imo ,and being a paraplegic does not give him any special leaway

You see it's quite simple realy
That was not that clear at all. The footage was very blurred and the audio was fragmented. That aside, there was no justifiable need to tip him out of his chair and drag him across the road. Simply wheeling him would have done the trick. Pulling his arms away from the wheels would have prevented him from obstructing them. That wouldn't have been that difficult for the two officers to have done.

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Originally Posted by Derek View Post
It's a classic politician back covering exercise IMO
At the end of the day if needed the Met could deploy water cannons as soon as they get their hands on them. They could deploy baton rounds and CS tomorrow if need be without Parliament being able to stop them without amending legislation.



Funnily enough I don't think it's set in stone. It is however common sense which seems to be a concept you struggle with. I've removed people from places they don't want to be removed from.

It doesn't look pretty, it is necessary on occasion though.
I am sure you have and quite justifiably so, but have you ever tipped a paraplegic from a wheelchair and dragged him across the road?
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