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Originally Posted by muppetman11
What use is a Virgin box with no sub does it even work,
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It's not yours to use without a sub. With Sky you have to buy the box and also pay a monthly sub to use it as intended.
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my point was you don't pay a fee for the DVR function you pay for the HD channels which you do with Virgin if u take sky premium HD
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You said the 1TB Sky+HD box was £249 up front but there's no monthly sub for the box - without a monthly sub you have a very expensive non-DVR FTA HD box.
The vast majority of Virgin Media subscribers don't take Sky premium HD, they don't need to take Sky premium HD to get a low cost V+ HD box. With Sky the so-called 'free' HD box you refer to requires a monthly HD subscription on top of your basic TV package.
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and if there was a monthly fee for TIVO this would be extra.
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TiVo is a premium service, there is no comparable offering available in the UK and even with an additional monthly sub it would still be competitively priced with a certain inferior rival pay tv service which charges up to £250 for a 1TB box, extra for HD and ESPN, requires additional services for its AnyTime+ progressive download offering and then caps usage to a few hours per month for those with the basic broadband bundle.