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Originally Posted by ceedee
A working example of how the network could handle a large number of subscribers using their full bandwidth would be useful.
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Google and wikipedia is your friend, i dont like lazy people, i really wonder how european isps go on with things with their ultra fast connections, even their adsl+2 whips the arse out of our apparently fibre optic cable connections.
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You've again ignored that they're supplied with a contended connection.
I offered a number of "choices" that you claimed were not available. But of course it's completely impossible to play xbox online while STM'd and utterly unrealistic to watch the movie while STM'd?
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And again you've ignored the fact STM cripples the connection especially if you have more than 1 PC in the house, watch the movie while stm'd? but it hasnt finished downloading yet because 50% of the connection just went walkies, so now your stuck with a download sucking all the connection and you cant do anything else for the most part, many people get dropouts on xbox online while being stm'd because pings go up.
So again, your the one not listening
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You think 100-150GB/month isn't using my connection?
The last I heard, the average data usage for a VM customer was 6GB/month.
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-rolls eyes- where did i say that? infact you just proved my point with your last bit of this message, 150GB/month dont mean anything to those people, they dont download much, they just want their xbox/streaming etc to work to which they have paid for (with network beneficials as a factor, of course), but if they dare do things they want to, VM cut half the connection away from them.
6GB/Month? your the first person i've met who believes VM on that point.
I really wish you had access to just how many people get stm'd, if you work it out over the network its MUCH, MUCH, MUCH higher than 1/3/5% that VM keep claiming, why dont you see this reported then? as said before, VM dont let customers know about things, most people wouldnt go looking on the site when they see "unlimited" everywhere and navigating the VM site is bad anyway.
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Show me an XL user who's seriously affected by STM without any avoidable downloads that seriously couldn't be postponed until after 9pm and I'll begin to accept your assertion.
Or an 10Mb/s user who *needs* the full speed to download more than 1.2GB during the peak period?
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Funny, we were talking about normal web users, i have said before XL users who download alot just do it overnight, unsure as to why you've changed the subject to this?
But still, goes back to the point of the fact they shouldnt need it, it takes away the point of having a high speed connection when your not allowed to use it.
4-9PM i can somewhat understand for STM, but not the silly limits.
10am-3PM is just plain proof that STM has literally nothing to do with heavy downloaders but just VM making sure no one uses the bandwith.
As per your comment on 10/20mbit user who needs that bandwith during peak, quite alot, why do you think so many people get stm'd? people are at work during the day (and some people night) and only time they get to use their connection is during peak hours, dont start with leaving things on overnight, alot of people shouldnt have to, so what are you saying? because they are only at home during peak hours they should never ever ever ever download at all, naughty naughty people!
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I'm sure they'll be able to sue VM for such terrible emotional damage! 
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Un needed? nice high maturity level here and has no revelence to the conversation.
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If you seriously think that STM makes VM's services completely useless then I think we'd better agree to disagree, mate.
I'm certainly not happy that VM believe it's necessary and accept that working around the thresholds can be a pain but it's still way better than any other ISP's connection I've had in over 12 years.
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Each persons needs are different, STM does cripple the connection to a worthless connection, googling up, reading other forums, the newsgroups and certain sites proves that.
If you look on VM's newsgroups, you get quite alot of people who find they go there and have no idea what STM is and cannot understand why their connections are so slow which in turn they complain and a tech gets sent out, only to find nothing wrong, why is this? because VM refuse to tell customers they even use STM, you dont see it on their adverts do you? remember VM have STM and a FUP on top (which is being put into play soon)
I wonder if you'll change your tune when you have all night STM as well (5mbit 24/7 for heavy downloaders i guess)
And the application throttling that will be turned on even out of STM hours.
Fun times ahead my friend.
Yes we better agree to disagree, i feel that your stuck in the 90s, but that's just my personal opinion to which we are as humans all entitled to.
That's the thing, you may think so, but there is a hell of alot of people who have ADSL+2 and are alot better off, with no stm, no application throttling etc, i know i was..and i'm certainly not close to my exchange.
So there you have it, at 150GB/month you'd class yourself as a "medium to heavy user" as you think most only do 6GB/Month...therefore VM suits you as per my whole point through this process is it doesnt affect people like you, its normal people who are at work all day and just want to use the net for a few hours at night who get shafted.