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Originally Posted by zinglebarb
thats totally irrelevent. If a group of yobs were causing trouble outside my house and their was a need for me to intervene then my stick would be taken out and I would be willing to use it if needed but that does not make me a bringer of trouble just an ender of trouble ( oh and my stick is a metal bar with said leather wrist strap  ) |
Slightly off topic, but wouldnt that be just escalalting the situation. You mention "if there is a need for me to intervene", in my opinion there are too many people who feel a need to intervene in a manner which can only make matters worse. You (im talking generally not specifically you) go out with a baseball bat, then a) you're not acting in self defence, b) there is some potential for the situation to escalate.
This old man somehow felt threatened for his own saftey, even tho he was in his own house. He went out with a baseball bat. Whatever happened the baseball bat ends up being used as the murder weapon.
We can harp on till the cows come home about how the Sikh guy could have used a brick or a knife or whatever if he wanted to kill him. We could also argue that the intention to kill was only made after he saw the obvious weapon.
I reckon if the old man hadn't gone out with a weapon, we would have one man in hospital suffering from cuts and bruises and an asian guy on an ABH or GBH charge, not murder.