Originally Posted by Neil

I look forward to pulling my trousers down only to not get bitten.

I haven't 'written it off as crap' either, what I said was that:

1) ntl are at least 5 years behind Sky in launching their PVR-imagine if their broadband was the same & was 5 years behind?

2) ntl have never launched a DTV product to even rival (let alone outshine) Sky's offerings.

Originally Posted by Neil

Sky have pretty got the PVR market sewn up, the Sky + box has been out for about 4 & 1/2 years now & there's no way that ntl could ever hope to market anything to even rival it, let alone out perform it.