Charlie Kirk (US conservative campaigner) shot dead
 

https://www.deseret.com/utah/2025/09...lie-kirk-shot/

This could be quite significant.

If you don't know who Kirk is, he is a right-wing commentator on the quite radical side. Quite popular amongst the MAGA base and more influential now that Trump is in power. If you're online and into American right-wing politics, you know this guy.

We don't know who shot him yet, and we don't know his status. People who've seen the videos say it doesn't look good.

Re: President Trump 2.0
 

Never heard of him, I'm glad to say.

Re: President Trump 2.0
 

He is someone that challenges the lefts position, that is all.

He has been used in lots of memes as one of his things was to go to college campuses with a sign saying “I think xxxxxx Change my mind”

People always bang on about the “far right”, but the left are far more dangerous. Evidenced again.

Re: President Trump 2.0
 

America’s in trouble if it’s at the political killings stage now (or, hopefully, merely attempted - hopefully not fatal in this case, though it’s not looking good). You don’t have to have any opinion on Charlie Kirk at all to know this is very bad, and not to be celebrated in any way whatsoever, even by those who vehemently disagree with him.

It’s worth saying by the way, MAGA love him but he’s a straight up socially conservative campaigner and orator who speaks for a genuine section of American society and he would have had a profile whether or not Trump and MAGA was a thing. He’s toured in the UK as well. He isn’t a MAGA clone.

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I don’t think it helps to conflate Kirk with ‘Trump 2.0’ as he was a thing before Trump and (perhaps) will be after Trump.

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Re: President Trump 2.0
 

This is just a few months on from a Democratic politician being murdered.

Unfourtely, this is a country prone to political violence.

Re: President Trump 2.0
 

It's prone to all violence. How many shootings in schools ? They love their guns. The right to shoot anyone they don't like is in their crap constitution.

Re: President Trump 2.0
 

One attempted assassination by an unknown gun man does not evidence one faction being more dangerous than another. You need to provide statistics to make that case, not try and weaponise this horrible situation.

Re: Charlie Kirk (US conservative campaigner) shot
 

Trump has confirmed Kirk has died.

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There was a person arrested at the time whose been released (and the poor guy was spread around the internet). Police have said the shooter was 200m away and has yet to to be found.

Re: Charlie Kirk (US conservative campaigner) shot
 

I’ve had to look away from Xitter. I’ve seen him shot, and having learned to recognise the setting I’ve rapidly scrolled past it three times more. Each one from a different angle. Both my daughters have been downstairs because they’ve seen it on TikTok. Meanwhile Missus is oblivious having never heard of him.

Re: President Trump 2.0
 

Successful assassination, this is a major issue. Kirk has a large following.

How the American media cover this will speak volumes..I mean we know how it will play out.

George Floyd………….FFS. Black drugged up criminal, allegedly killed, but if unintentionally, by police……………….global riots.


Charlie Kirk…..reasonable white guy, intentionally murdered. …….we’ll see. I hope there are riots for him…..there won’t be.

Nobody is saying “hands up don’t shoot “ for Charlie.. who I think has a family……

Re: Charlie Kirk (US conservative campaigner) shot
 

I've seen it as well. Social media is horrible generally, but Twitter has become an unmoderated nightmare.

Re: President Trump 2.0
 

I don’t think I do,

we’ll see how many people riot for Charlie v George Floyd.

One a decent man, one a drugged up felon.

Re: President Trump 2.0
 

There weren't protests for the politicians who were shot over the last few years.

It's different if it's the state perceived to have done something, i.e the police, than if it's some random criminal.

Same reason there were protests for the murder of Sarah Everard but not for the two MPs who've been murdered in the UK. One of them has been perceived to be a problem with authority, such as the Met Police, and the others were widely acknowledged to be wrong.

Senior Democratic politicians and commentators have all come out to condemn this murder. It's universally seen as a bad thing. Who would you be protesting against?

Re: President Trump 2.0
 

Oh wow, they’ve condemned it.

Yet, for eight years they have said Trump, and Trump supporters, are Nazis, authoritarians, going to subjugate you, imprison you, take away your rights, your freedoms, they’re evil. You have no future.

And we’re supposed to be surprised when some one kills a Trump supporter, when they’ve been told all of the above?

This was inevitable. Kids have been orphaned because of it.

Re: President Trump 2.0
 

And Republicans have said the Democrats are communists, stealing elections, baby killers, will take away gun rights and are the enemies from within.

I agree that American politics uses inflammatory language a lot, and they need to tone it down. I agree with you that this can lead to violence - albeit indirectly in most cases - but let's not pretend this is limited to one side of the political aisle.

In June, a Democratic politician called Melissa Hortman, was killed.

I think a lot of people need to think about the tone in which they conduct politics and have disagreements, but the people most to blame for political violence in a democracy are those who resort to it.

And beyond that, it's also a country that's become so numb to violence that stories like this: https://abcnews.go.com/US/shooting-r...y?id=125452526 are just another day.

Re: President Trump 2.0
 

A decent man? That's a matter of opinion right there...

Re: President Trump 2.0
 

Yes, what was indecent about him?

Re: [Update] Charlie Kirk (US conservative campaigner) shot dead
 

Yes, I’d like to hear that too. As far as I can tell he was a law-abiding citizen who used debate and public engagement to make his political points. That is, or used to be, universally recognised in democratic societies as inherently decent, regardless of whether their politics aligned with yours or not.

Having listened to him a bit whenever he’s dropped into my Xitter feed, I disagree with him plenty. One or two social issues I was broadly in agreement with, though even there it’s tough because American social politics are of a very particular stripe that don’t align nearly as well with ours as some would like to think.

But was he indecent? Receipts, please.

Re: President Trump 2.0
 

Don't remember flags being flown at half mast for them but I do remember the vitriol and jokes about Paul Pelosi but rather than use all these tragedies as reason to turn away from the extreme rhetoric they'll double down and ramp things up further and charlie kirk might even become the Horst Wessel of our times.

Re: [Update] Charlie Kirk (US conservative campaigner) shot dead
 

There is a lot going on within American poltics and news at the moment and it's disgusting!

Kirk was one of those people who would challenge the narratives being pushed, open up discussions with people and have a genuine conversation about issues and narratives.

I didn't agree with everything he said, but I watched a lot of his videos over the years, not the edited clips but the actual videos and he was pretty much always respectful, always willing to listen etc.

The fact that people are celebrating him being killed is sickening.

Re: [Update] Charlie Kirk (US conservative campaigner) shot dead
 

They still haven't identified the killer. That itself is going to allow conspiracies to fester, making an already precarious situation worse.

Re: [Update] Charlie Kirk (US conservative campaigner) shot dead
 

I've watched many of his one-to-one sessions with people he invited to publicly debate him. Most didn't want to debate, but just spout hate, bias and irrational dogma at him. But he always kept his cool and tried to reason with them all. He had very strong religious views, so was very anti-abortion, and that riled many who came to rant at him.

It was obvious that if you speak out against their beliefs, they take you out in whatever means they have at their disposal. All they want to hear is THEIR words coming out of OUR mouths, so hearing Charlie's sensible and reasoned responses to their idiotic ramblings makes them madder than usual. It is time to clear all places of education of the Leftie teachers who are doing the brainwashing of students of all ages worldwide.

Re: President Trump 2.0
 

Both people and neither should have died, don't you agree?

Re: President Trump 2.0
 

But which set of descriptions has a tendency for violence against them to be supported. IE "Nazis, authoritarians, going to subjugate you, imprison you, take away your rights, your freedoms,". Violence against those is almost encouraged. That is the key difference.


Hortman killing seems to be about a single issue, namely abortion, rather than a general political stance.

Re: [Update] Charlie Kirk (US conservative campaigner) shot dead
 

Is this the same guy being discussed here?

https://xcancel.com/WhoopingFeet/sta...586138009839#m

Re: [Update] Charlie Kirk (US conservative campaigner) shot dead
 

Yes, apparently a decent bloke

Re: [Update] Charlie Kirk (US conservative campaigner) shot dead
 

Deserving of assassination?

Re: [Update] Charlie Kirk (US conservative campaigner) shot dead
 

No.

But hardly a decent bloke

Re: [Update] Charlie Kirk (US conservative campaigner) shot dead
 

In the immediate aftermath of a political assassination almost certainly perpetrated by someone who thinks whether someone’s opinions are decent is adequate grounds for murder …. Your hot take is that now is the time to discuss how decent he is?

Re: [Update] Charlie Kirk (US conservative campaigner) shot dead
 

i wonder what his stance on guns was

Re: [Update] Charlie Kirk (US conservative campaigner) shot dead
 

Another poster already stated that he was a decent man. I'm just replying.

Re: [Update] Charlie Kirk (US conservative campaigner) shot dead
 

Something along the lines of gun deaths were sad but a price worth paying for the 2nd ammendment :erm:

Re: [Update] Charlie Kirk (US conservative campaigner) shot dead
 

I see a few people making hay with that sentiment today, but the truth is, that view is implicit in everyone who believes in widespread private gun ownership in America. Much as we believe we should be allowed to own and drive private cars, despite knowing people will die in road accidents.

(I don’t equate the two myself, but it’s usefully illustrative of a mindset we find hard to understand in this country).

Re: [Update] Charlie Kirk (US conservative campaigner) shot dead
 

Pictures released of 'person of interest'

https://news.sky.com/story/charlie-k...#liveblog-body

Re: [Update] Charlie Kirk (US conservative campaigner) shot dead
 

A 30sec clipped. That’s what you’re basing your assessment on?

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And if you want to know he was making the absurd point that Black people were safer in the days of slavery than they are today. Highlighting the sad reality of the volume of black on black deaths, that no one seems to want to address.

He was not advocating slavery.

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Yes, but nothing to do with the point I was making.

Re: [Update] Charlie Kirk (US conservative campaigner) shot dead
 

Third time lucky yea. They've already arrested two then released tyhem

Re: [Update] Charlie Kirk (US conservative campaigner) shot dead
 

Two wrongs don't make a right :confused:

Re: [Update] Charlie Kirk (US conservative campaigner) shot dead
 

If you don’t understand, I can’t help you.

Re: [Update] Charlie Kirk (US conservative campaigner) shot dead
 

It feels a bit inappropriate to be critical of what Kirk has said, but it's not really true though given the slaves who died at sea and on the plantations.

I hope they find Kirk's killer. My thoughts are with his family and friends. I can't imagine what they're going through.

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I understand taking 'X' from here and 'Y' from there to equal bs. Where was his point going?

Also I initially thought this guy was the famous kebab man CZN Burak :shocked:

Re: [Update] Charlie Kirk (US conservative campaigner) shot dead
 

You don't equate that mindset because it makes no sense, people die in road accidents, this was no accident and nor are any of the other mass shooting events that happen almost monthly if not weekly and I'll hazard a guess and say most Americans wouldn't feel their 2nd amendment rights were being violated if there were more stringent background checks and mental health checks to get guns

Re: [Update] Charlie Kirk (US conservative campaigner) shot dead
 

Well you don’t have the data to back that up.

He was making a great point, that black people bang on about police shootings, or reparations or any other 1000 or so issues they shout racist at.

But they refuse to look inwards.

That is an amazing statistic

https://giffords.org/lawcenter/repor...k-communities/

Spoiler, they’re not being shot by white people.

In that discussion Kirk was making the tongue in cheek observation they were safer as slaves, to make a point, as part of a longer discussion.

A 30sec clip of that discussion was presented on here by some idiots to try and paint him as a, I don’t know..racist or “indecent”.

Playing tricks like that, can get people shot.

Re: [Update] Charlie Kirk (US conservative campaigner) shot dead
 

Cars aren't designed to kill. Guns are.

Re: [Update] Charlie Kirk (US conservative campaigner) shot dead
 

Guns don’t kill people…rappers do.

Re: [Update] Charlie Kirk (US conservative campaigner) shot dead
 

Think you've taken a trip to bonkers land again. The chief suspect doesn't look much like a rapper. Even if he is, not sure rhythmic music is fatal. Appalling maybe.

Re: [Update] Charlie Kirk (US conservative campaigner) shot dead
 

It's from a song

Re: [Update] Charlie Kirk (US conservative campaigner) shot dead
 

Congratulations on your skill at wilfully missing a point. :tu:

The point, for the genuinely hard of thinking, is that societies take decisions based on a balance of risk versus reward. For Americans who own guns, the value of gun ownership outweighs the risk, even though the risks may have fatal consequences.

You don’t have to agree with their analysis - I certainly don’t - but you won’t understand the American gun debate if you refuse to understand the terms in which it is conducted.

Re: [Update] Charlie Kirk (US conservative campaigner) shot dead
 

https://youtu.be/ICG0MuzEYzw?si=4FsLRGiIuGuRpzr-

You should get out more.

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If thats their choice, then let them shoot each other. Not sure why they keep getting outraged when these things keep repeatedly happening. One day maybe they'll do 'thinking'.

The language of hate/division/guns is their choice of how to live/die, let them get on with it. The world would be a better place without the current USA, it wasn't always the case.

Re: [Update] Charlie Kirk (US conservative campaigner) shot dead
 

I read this about how social media is distorting our view of the world/politics: https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/civil-...ots-and-losers

I think it makes a good point that although most of the country isn't on social media, people in politics and political commentary are disproportionately on there, so it has an outsized influence on our politics. I think that's true of this country as well.

A lot of what drives the media narratives and politicians' view of the public is what they've read on social media, curated by their bubble and algorithmically generated to be more extreme.

Re: [Update] Charlie Kirk (US conservative campaigner) shot dead
 

I agree.

I do, however, challenge the pearl clutching and ‘serves him right’-ing from those who think he’s somehow the author of his own demise for holding what is, within the US, a thoroughly mainstream point of view, no matter how incomprehensible that might be to us.

Re: [Update] Charlie Kirk (US conservative campaigner) shot dead
 

so we should only listen to the opinions of those who own guns??

Pew Research (April 2024): 51% of U.S. adults say it’s more important to protect the right of Americans to own guns, while 48% think controlling gun ownership is more important.
Pew Research Center

Also from Pew: 58% believe U.S. gun laws should be more strict, 15% believe they should be less strict, and 26% say current laws are about right.

Its thier own fault for allowing so many guns in this country!!


Im glad they found out who did this.. But they still dont know why he did it!! (The last I heard)


Very sad all the killings going on.......

Re: Charlie Kirk (US conservative campaigner) shot dead
 

I just checked a few sites and can't see anything about a suspect being arrested though. Hopefully a matter of when not if he is arrested.

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If you could highlight the part where I said that, that would be helpful.

Re: Charlie Kirk (US conservative campaigner) shot dead
 

I wonder what South Park is going to do; they have started mocking him in recent episodes so they will probably have to pivot quite hard now. Either ignoring it and dropping that character or confronting it somehow.

Re: Charlie Kirk (US conservative campaigner) shot dead
 

i think the world has bigger things to worry about than a cartoon show

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Absolutely true.

It’s why people were so shocked Brexit happened and couldn’t believe it when Corbyn was smashed in the Boris election.

Re: Charlie Kirk (US conservative campaigner) shot dead
 

being reported that the suspect has been arrested

Charlie Kirk latest: Trump says 'I think we have him' in hunt for Charlie Kirk shooting suspect


https://news.sky.com/story/charlie-k...ation-13428517



Until he was shot i had never heard of him

Re: Charlie Kirk (US conservative campaigner) shot dead
 

Mostly that would be down to whether you engage with social media, and then even if you do, what sort of stuff you read. For me, I follow American politics and more broadly, some of the social issues Kirk talked about that resonate on this side of the pond (transgender issues being the main one).

My missus had never heard of him, but within an hour of his shooting both my daughters (older teens) had been downstairs because they saw him get shot on TikTok. :(

Re: Charlie Kirk (US conservative campaigner) shot dead
 

Looks like the suspect's dad is a police officer, saw the photos and turned him in.

Confirmed the suspect's name is Tyler Robinson.

Thank goodness his father is not corrupt and did the right thing!!

Re: Charlie Kirk (US conservative campaigner) shot dead
 

i'm not on any social media sites, this forum is my only online presence

Re: Charlie Kirk (US conservative campaigner) shot dead
 

This is the way

Re: Charlie Kirk (US conservative campaigner) shot dead
 

I'm pleased to advise that this post has been picked for demonstrating true Cable Forum loyalty and wins a star prize! You get to spend a night out in Salford with Mick and Mr K :beer: :D

Re: Charlie Kirk (US conservative campaigner) shot dead
 

Same here.

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Apparently South Park took the pee out of him recently, and the usual nutters are trying to blame the show for his assassination.

Re: Charlie Kirk (US conservative campaigner) shot dead
 

Yep looks like his dad and uncle spotted him and forced him to turn himself in.

The thing is America will not learn anything from this, there will be "talks" but nothing will happen, apart from the contrast in the public response.

There have been no riots, no buildings being burned down etc compared to the likes of what happened after George Floyd.

Now you have the mainstream media trying to label the shooter as a "Good kid" "boy scout" "what you would want your son to be like" and trying to say he must have "Mental health issues", then you hear about some of the inscriptions on the gun etc and well it's the typical far left lunatic language and a good example of why kids should not be allowed guns or access to their parents guns!

Then you see the left wing lunatics celebrating online, you have the BBC hosting someone who was practically laughing, Oxford Union's incoming president celebrating, and now there are rumours that some MP's were apparently heard laughing and celebrating the news of him being shot.

This whole world is a mess!!

Re: Charlie Kirk (US conservative campaigner) shot dead
 

I've only heard of so called left wing people sympathise with his family, I've not even seen to many people using his own words against him for what's happened but we all need to grown up and move away from the footballification that's happened with politics, just because someone votes differently to you it doesn't mean you have to hate them or even think less of them, the ones people imo should shun are the extreme elements who seem to be getting all of the attention and only to the benefit of their particular agenda.


Oh and the whole writing on the bullet stuff sounds like complete bullshit to me btw

Re: Charlie Kirk (US conservative campaigner) shot dead
 

Why throw it all away. So young too :no:

Re: Charlie Kirk (US conservative campaigner) shot dead
 

Yeah, doubtful, there seems to be some evidence around it.


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The left then……you know the nice ones…….

Re: Charlie Kirk (US conservative campaigner) shot dead
 

And the ones on the right, I don't know why you keep pretending political violence is one-sided when there have been ample attacks by right-wing extremists as well. On the same day Kirk was murdered, one of them shot children at a school: https://www.denverpost.com/2025/09/1...orado-updates/

There was the attack by the Nazi that killed 8 people in Texas: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_A..._mall_shooting

The 'great replacement theory' nutjob that killed 10 black people the year before; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_Buffalo_shooting

In this country, it's thankfully rarer to have any of these kinds of attacks - left or right - but we still had the murder of Jo Cox and the guy who drove a van into a Mosque in Finsbury Park.

There is a long history of far-right attacks.

As TheDaddy says, these people need to be shunned. It's not left v right but extremists vs us all.

Re: Charlie Kirk (US conservative campaigner) shot dead
 

Engraving bullets is not easy at all, and there isnt a lot of room to play with.

Its unlikely it was done by hand (if at all) - there are laser engravers, but not exactly commonly available.

Re: Charlie Kirk (US conservative campaigner) shot dead
 

Yes, that's been quietly retracted by the Wall Street Journal.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/...sQwXMNIWV35OFD

Re: Charlie Kirk (US conservative campaigner) shot dead
 

7th July 2005? Failed attempt 21st July 2005. Another planned attack was thwarted before then with a link to one of the 7/7 bombers,
Ross Parker 2001.
Serioza Lawskoski 2012
Those "nice" BLM protestors.
A key difference is whether the type of reaction to any killings. With Charlie Kirk, there is a widespread reaction from the left of saying along the lines of "he deserved it". Plenty of examples.
Link
How many of the attacks you listed had that widespread type of reaction?

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If I have some time I will, respond in depth

The difference is…..the left paint themselves as the nice people, on the right side of history, be nice, be kind, etc etc etc.

When it comes down to it, they are the most violent (antifa) and most authoritarian. They won’t engage in debate, hate anyone that disagrees with them, and ultimately kills those that challenges them.

The left are far more dangerous in my opinion.

Case in point, Kirk was willing to debate and talk, killed by a leftist, solely for that reason.

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There’s nothing in that article that suggests the etching on the bullets is incorrect.

Post the specific parts that back up your assertion.

Re: Charlie Kirk (US conservative campaigner) shot dead
 

Are you sure? He was not registered with any political party.

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Per the article, the Wall Street Journal changed its headline from 'Ammunition in Kirk Shooting Engraved With Transgender, Antifascist Ideology: Sources' to 'Early Bulletin Said Ammunition in Kirk Shooting Engraved With Transgender, Antifascist Ideology; Some Sources Urge Caution'.

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How can etching be correct or incorrect? :confused:

If you mean the paper's interpretation of them, the Wall Street Journal got this wrong as well.