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Would be interesting if mods could get the trends of polls shown in each week. From memory if the nation follows the voting here we would get a Tory majority.

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Corbyn is promising to build thousands of new homes. Well he'll need to to accomodate the hunderds of thousands of immigrants that his open door policy will allow to flood in. No homes for brits then. :(

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I really wouldn't draw too much from this unrepresentative forum ! The sample size needs to a hundred times bigger and have a wider audience than Cable fanatics ;)

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Where did he say houses are just for immigrants and not Brits? Try not to go down soundbite tabloid city...

What if those immigrants are filling vital vacancies in the NHS? E.g. 39,000 nursing vacancies where are they all going to come from? Not this country, the young have got more sense; it requires them to get a massive loan to get a degree, to get poor graduate pay, to care for an ungrateful ageing population. Emigration will soon be our problem, and the old Little England bigots will be left behind to have a moan and blame someone else.

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He reminds me of the holding tank on my boat ,it's full of [ ] ;)

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You may find these links helpful

https://fullfact.org/election-2019/l...vement-policy/ https://fullfact.org/immigration/lab...ration-policy/

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** WARNING *** WARNING *** WARNING ***

Facts have been deployed,

Step away from the keyboard, NOW :)

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That fullfact website is rubbish, I thought they were suppose to be helping the Tories? :confused:

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The claim was "could". Labour also claimed that only 20,000 would come here from the new Eastern EU countries.


So what immigration controls would they put in place? None listed in their actual 107 page manifesto(yes it's out). Just a long list of penalties and deterrents that will be stopped. Basically anybody who comes here will have full access to jobs, NHS etc.
So that's why the 100,000/year houses are needed.
The channel Tunnel trains will filled up with taxpayer funded "refugees". That would be the only way for "safe and legal routes".

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Labour manifesto is released, looks like 1970 is going to be a year of great change:rolleyes:

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Doesn't that amount to over 10 million jobs?:shocked:

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Isn't it strange that so many Labour leavers wanted Brexit to stem immigration, so Labour come up with this wonderful manifesto that would keep us in the EU and even extend immigration?

And the Liberal Democrats decide that they will ignore what voters want and cancel Brexit.

So much for the democratic credentials of these two major opposition parties. No wonder they are in opposition!

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Refugees have the right to work and claim benefits already so not sure what the difference is to be fair. Asylum seekers are a different thing of course and they cannot work except under very specific circumstances

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If that is the case, why are they mentioning it? Is that because they say "Once here,", ie immediately after getting off the train, plane, boat, dinghy, lorry etc. All those currently in France and those on their way will be provided with a "safe and legal" route into the UK. Then their "families" will automatically also be allowed to come.

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I'm not particularly impressed with "refugees" and "asylum seekers" traveling halfway around the World to get to the UK.

I'm not racist, I just think it's a tad ridiculous to throw the UK gates wide open.

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Your phone will be installed when we’re good and ready. Get back in line.

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I worked for post office telephones, you want black or ivory?,if you have a party line you can be on service in two months.;)

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You're not a refugee when you come off train, plane, boat, dinghy, lorry etc., you're an asylum seeker. Very different thing. According to the Government, 53% of asylum claims are granted, giving refugee status to asylum seekers - https://www.gov.uk/government/public...-protection-to

Asylum seekers do not have the right to work normally unless their applications for refugee status takes longer than a year. Instead, if needed housing and subsistence can be provided under section 95 of the Immigration and Asylum Act 1999 (or section 4 for cases under appeal)

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Are they not the one and the same, a sort of Old Etonian Ministry Of Truth?

The "Can You Trust The Tories" theme continues apace. The Tory Party: a party that is now institutionally dishonest.

The lies are so numerous by Johnson, Peter Oborne, a conservative Brexit supporter and former chief political commentator of The Daily Telegraph, has organised a website to track all of the PM's lies:

The lies, falsehoods and misrepresentations of Boris Johnson and his government.

Hours of endless fun.

This goes a lot further than Brexit. The moral core, such as it was, of our political system is being ripped out by the Tories.Twitter says that the Tories have misled the public [during an Election campaign] but the Foreign Secretary Dominic Raab couldn't care less:

Twitter says Conservatives misled public, minister says voters 'don't give a toss'

and here is Gove celebrating lying to the public:

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Then the term "Once here" wouldn't apply, unless it applies everybody once they've get off the train etc.
This is the whole passage.
No mention of having assessed them first.


Almost sounds like they're going to send cruise ships to Libya, Turkey etc to pick them up.

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ianch99 post #19


1st link: This website is the work of a collaborative venture by Richard Assheton, Adam Bychawski, Tom Chivers, Peter Oborne, Charlie Peters, Michael Prodger, Dai Richards and William Wickstead.


2cnd link: Twitter says . . .


Top class stuff right there, no wonder the world has gone to . . .

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No doubt they will also count as "working hours", thereby reducing the effective working week at a stroke. Also increasing business costs, without the claimed increase in productivity, that is supposed to pay for it all.

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Somebody needs to work mate, to pay for all the benefits most of this forum seem to be claiming ! Seems there's a lot of hypocrisy on here from those not in work (sometimes with justifiable reasons) having a go those working and paying taxes to support them. Protect the workers, they're your safety net.

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Well, I am glad you have worked out that public services actually have to be paid for from income. What I don't understand is how Corbyn thinks he can pay for that sackful of Christmas goodies he says he will give us if he wins the election (heaven forbid).

He sticks to his story that he will milk the rich, without addressing the impact of his policies, which will drive most of them away. What will Corbyn do then, poor thing?

Oh, yes, he will just print the money (so McDonnell says). IMF, here we come if we get a Labour Government. Then you will really see what austerity looks like. Remember Greece?

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A couple of us are retired after a lifetime of graft ;)

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Ditto Boris, he's got own magic money forest along with his crop of lies. He's promising spending not seen since the 1970s, plus tax cuts ! It's not obvious crap from a habitual liar. Why aren't you calling out him in the same way?

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Well I can congratulate you on being able to read but apart from that, your post adds no value.

Here some more information for you:

Peter Oborne’s Diary: Boris Johnson’s NHS lies, my bulging dossier of deceit, and Sunday Times suppression

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The Conservatives aren't the ones who have a credibility problem when it comes to managing the economy. Labour seem to want to have their cake and eat it. Drive out the investors and high earners but still spend the money that will no longer be available. These policies will be truly ruinous and the benefits from commencing on this programme will be short lived. Eventually, it will all grind to a halt, and guess what - more austerity.

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Increasing business costs is not a good idea by any stretch of the imagination. Leads to increases in inflation, and decreases competitiveness. How is increasing wage costs by such a large amount a good thing? The bare minimum that would happen is that profits and therefore the tax paid, goes down.

Labour claim that their proposals for shorter working week for the same annual salary, will be self-funded by increases in productivity.

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Theres tons of data out there that a 30-32 hour working week is almost as effective as a 37 hour week.

Increasing wage costs results in income tax and NI going up so your flawed notion that less profits = less tax doesn't hold up. An actual human being resident in the UK (99 per cent of the time) is going to spend that money, and pay VAT in the process. Benefits go down with employment up.

Companies profits on the other hand - dividends and tax havens.

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And do any of those examples include "real" everyday businesses, and not ones like ad or marketing agencies who have inflated their prices to cover for it? Eg The profits of a shop can't magically be improved by opening shorter hours.

Dividends and money sent to Tax havens, is POST-tax.:rolleyes:

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So you agree that Corbyns spending is unsustainable?

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It doesn't get spent here in the same way I've just described wages. That was the clear and obvious point I was making.

The impact on shops would be an interesting one. Staggered shifts would be one approach. With the extra time people have would they spend more time/money in their High Streets?

Obviously from your armchair you couldn't comprehend such impacts.

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Whatever happens the profits and the resulting tax revenue will go down. No escaping that fact. EG How's the high street doing?

They may have extra time, but not extra money.

How would staggered shifts work? You still need X number of people on shift at the same time. Shops are just one example. There are a myriad of other businesses and organisations(eg NHS, councils) where an increase in productivity is 100% impossible.

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Not true.

Ah I see now. You are incapable of seeing things at a macroeconomic level. That's fine.

How can work at a council not achieve an increase in productivity? Are councils and thei workers all well oiled machines churning out their range of roles in exactly 40 hours per week, no more no less?

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It’s great fun isn’t it, gaming out a policy programme that will, thankfully, never see the light of day.

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There is evidence that backs that up...................initially but a 4 day week has not been monitored for a great length of time.

Even in the shortish studies that been done Productivity does go up at the start, due to the excitement of the change and the need to get the same amount of work, and more, done in a shorter time frame. But as the novelty wears off and the 4 days become the norm, there is evidence that productivity falls.

https://www.theguardian.com/money/20...-cut-in-output

Some sectors may not be able to participate, or certainly there would be challenges, in the public sector of policing, NHS etc, as costs would rise as more would have to be employed, and the retail sector may struggle.

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Will only work for office type roles. Businesses that run 24/7 don't have a snowball in hells chance to do that and increase profits/production.

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Businesses that run 24/7 presumably don’t have single employees working those hours and so stagger roles throughout the day and days. I don’t really see the challenge of adjusting the rota slightly to accommodate this.

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An increase in costs without a matching increase in income leads to a decrease in profits.


It takes a fixed amount of time to perform certain functions, eg refuse collection. When dealing with a person on the telephone with a complaint or query, it takes time. If there are more efficient ways of doing something, it will only be the private sector that bothers with it.

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You don't see the challenge of paying 300 people the same money to work 32 hours instead of 40, and the wages further required to employ extra workers to cover the 'missing' hours?

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“Only the private sector”

What absolute nonsense. In the workplace very few actions take “fixed” amounts of time. There’s also fatigue, attention span and a wide range of other factors that give human beings variable productivity at different points throughout the working day. Your ignorance on these matters is frankly startling.

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If each was as productive in 32 hours, the starting premise of the post you quoted, as 40 there’d be no need for additional staff. Just the rota adjusted to give cover across the 168 hours of the week. With 300 staff that shouldn’t be too hard.

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Any increase in profits from that example would have been from extra business coming their way. That would've occurred regardless of the hours worked.
Doesn't mean a thing, if they were previously spending the slack time "twiddling their thumbs". The workload wasn't there to fill all of the time before. As they get more business, that will no longer be the case. Before they could fill that slack time with no increase in costs. That would give more profits and the potential for increased wages. As it is, they will instead have to employ more people who will then also have slack time.

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Business just “comes your way” spontaneously coming into existence all by itself. Wow.

Nonsense armchair analysis here with no empirical evidence whatsoever.

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Ever heard of 4 on 4 off shift patterns, Continental shift patterns and the like?

You're saying machines could run themselves, feed themselves materials needed, fix any breakdowns themselves etc etc during the hours no workers were there.

apologies in advance, but . . "Your ignorance on these matters is frankly startling." ;)

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I’m saying it’d be foolish to rota your 300 staff over 168 hours of the week with nobody around for 8 hours here and there.

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The public sector is not exactly known for a desire to work efficiently. The trade unions don't allow it.

Working one less hour a day isn't going dramatically change fatigue levels. It takes whatever time it takes to empty the bins with a set number of people and and set number of collection lorries. No getting around that. You would soon be complaining if they were expected to move faster in emptying the bins or delivering the post.

Love to see the rota where you could cover X hours a days with people working slightly less than X hours a day. Especially without Zero-hour contracts or a massive change to part-time working(ie paid a lot less than full time).

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So you agree that cutting back the hours would necessitate employing more workers, with the added costs thereof . .

. . and the machines would still be producing exactly the same output.

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No.

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Yet the evidence doesn’t agree with you.

Let’s hold back the entire economy on the basis of not wanting to employ a few extra binmen.

You don’t seem to grasp this rota concept do you?

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oh ok



*goes for a lie down*

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I firmly believe that the calculations are wrong. Saying that the Tories are going to win.

Totally bonkers.

This country cannot have another Tory government. If voters believe what Joker Boris says he is going to do. Increase this and that. Increase police officers and police staff. They are living in dream land.
I work in law enforcement. And each year we have the same problem about who is going to be made redundant.

I am getting sick of all Boris' promises. He will NOT deliver the goods. He is a total lie. Like all MPs. They just think of themselves getting into power, that's it.

Even on the TV debate with another joker Corbyn. All he kept saying is about Brexit.

He would not give the full truth. Where is this money tree, that TM said that we didn't have. Where has Boris found it. It is the same story that MT made before becoming the most hated PM in history.

The Tories are for the rich, and famous. And if voters believe that Boris is going to do this. Are living in dreamland.

Its like when Boris said ' when we come out of Europe, the money we pay each week. Will go into the NHS. Dreamland again - l fell for it, and said leave. But, we need to the people.

This election is being called the Brexit Election. This is why Boris is going for it. And like a fool Corbyn agreed to it.

Remember The Peoples Vote. Well this is it.

I wont make up my mind until l go into the ballot room - BUT, it wont be a blue vote.

Just think that in a few weeks, we will have Xmas - just think of the homeless, and Foodbanks. I read today that these have now reach a record high. We are one of the richest countries in the world. WE should not be having this in this country.

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So businesses don't start off with zero business/income and then have to attract more business/income?:confused: In that example they are not manufacturing physical products that then have to be sold. In that example the perceived improved productivity came from the fact that they were obviously not working at 100% capacity before. If they kept the previous hours and business increased, the spare capacity would decrease and any new reduced hours wouldn't have led to a perceived increase in productivity.


Imagine a factory where there is only a demand for 6 hours/day of output, but they work 7 hours/day. A reduction in working time by an hour/day would have no effect, but there has been NO magical increase in productivity.

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The only evidence is where they are not working at anything near 100% capacity.



Corbyn's premise is that it is all self-funded by increases in productivity, NOT employing more people to do it.


What rota wouldn't give too many or too few people on duty at any one time? If you have a total operating day that is just an hour or two longer that the longest working day, how do you fill that with having X people always on duty/working? No rota can cope with that, without part-timers to fill the gaps.

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You obviously don't work in the public sector and for your information, the public sector does quite a bit more than empty bins. Sometimes it's better to keep quiet when you don't understand what's going on so you don't make yourself look daft.

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Yeah, yeah. Remember that little gem next time you make an appointment with a doctor or you are still waiting in A&E for over 7 hours.

Labour's policies are highly inflationary and will lead to our being uncompetitive in global terms. Investors will desert us, the companies in line to be milked will leave these shores. Unemployment will soar. We've been here before...

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You have both undermined your own argument and slipped into your own world of absurdity. Shops already operate on minimum staffing and it is often difficult to find someone to serve you. Staggering shifts would make the situation worse and this would send more people online and the High Streets would become ghost towns.

I don't think shop assistants have so much money in their pockets/purses that they can spend loads of time buying extra stuff on the High Streets! Get real, jfman!

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Absolutely! You have to question jfman's 'economist' credentials! Why can he not see this? It's pointless arguing with him - he rarely gets the point and if he finally grasps it, he makes a different point to cover himself.

I think most people can see Corbyn's manifesto for what it is. It will not help him get elected. Not at all.

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Sounds like you've already made your mind up.

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Like yourself l would imagine...

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Yes Den, i'll vote for Martin vickers,but i'm not claiming "I wont make up my mind until l go into the ballot room - BUT, it wont be a blue vote".
Mine will definately be a blue vote.

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Wow, if your interpretation is correct, that suggests that every asylum seeker would automatically become a refugee as per the United Nations 1951 Refugee Convention and 1967 amendment. I'm frankly surprised the press aren't all over that..

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Finally Labours Brexit plans explained.
Labour MP tries to explain Corbyn's Brexit https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/12...t-Remain-Leave

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I think Labour have been very clear to a point. They would negotiate a 'new' deal then put it to the electorate in a binary vote versus remain.

That's great to a point but it does raise a couple of (obvious) points to me:

• Any vote should be leave or remain, with a secondary option under leave of leaving with Jezza's deal, Bozza's deal, Tezza's deal or no deal so if leave won then we've got an idea of what the public want.
• What happens if they can't negotiate a new deal?

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Well Arthur hasn't decided which non-blue vote it'll be.

However glad everybody has abandoned Farage and the the Brexit party. Doubtless he'll rise again like something difficult to flush, when folks realise that Boris's trade deal and actual Brexit will take 10 years, by which time the whole thing will have been abandoned...

Boris is Boris's only priority, ask his family or however many children/wives/blind lovers he's had (even he's lost count!)

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brexit party not standing in Cleethorpes "country before party" is how Mr Farage put it i believe.

Knowing Arthur's luck he'll arrive at the polling station just after it closes.

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Losing his bottle is what I call it ;)

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He seems nice...



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Peerage before party, surely? ;)

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Motorists are also voters. From the same link:

One in the eye for Krankie then. :D

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Motorists also aren't exempt from the catastrophic effects of climate change. At which point a making fuel more expensive will seem like a brilliant, if too late and too tame idea.

Air travel is what we really need to tax the living daylights out of. Somethings wrong if flights are cheaper than trains.

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Whooops, there goes the 'online shopping' market then :D

Not to mention all those HGVs running up and down the country day in day out bringing goods to the local supermarkets.

Actually, thinking about it, 'buy local' may make a comeback :Yes:

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Oh those wonderful memories of the old corner shop on every corner.:D

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Only if they have a horse and cart;)

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Ouch! :rofl:

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Oh yes, and they sold almost anything you needed - unlike now where they fall over themselves to sell you stuff you don't need :D

I'm not quite old enough to remember those, although my dear old mum (bless her) did work on the milk/bread deliveries . . . and quite proud of it she was too ;)

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There was even a coal man and the rag and bone man in those times.:D

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We have a coal merchants in the family.
and the rag and bone man has a horse and cart;)

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Thats a game changer:tu:

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I no longer trust JC, he could tell me my date of birth and i'd call him a lair.

Liebour will NEVER get my vote again.

I would vote for the BP, but they have withdrawn in favour for Tories, who I will vote for the 1st time ever.

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If you want truth, think you're going to be disappointed with BJ.... Even his brother doesn't trust him.

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"I no longer trust JC" implies he used to trust him. I'm not sure that's actually the case.

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Where is your proof that he didn't trust him?

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It's a speculative post, as indicated by "I'm not sure...". Had I made an assertion that it was absolutely untrue then I'd expect to evidence it. Not a post where I state my uncertainty.

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Straight out of the frying pan into the fire.

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So you have nothing.

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The problem is sort of people who are backing up JC. Vote in JC, and you get them as well.

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The problem is sort of people who are backing up BJ. Vote in BJ, and you get them as well (i.e. Trump & Putin)

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Trump and putin in parliament, what an interesting world you inhabit.

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This is simply not true, you need to stop telling utter porkies and misleading information in this thread.

Last time I checked, it was Corbyn who defended Putin over the Salisbury poisonings, it's been the Tories holding him to account.

Trump is President of the United States, he holds no jurisdiction over the UK, so we are not getting these two at all.

Vote Corbyn, we lose Trident, our Nuclear deterrent and Putin gets his way.

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Putin gets his way which everone the 2 disastrous men get to be PM

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Nope - only with Corbyn.

If you some how going to come out with conspiracy theories about Putin and Brexit, don't bother, the Russians did not hold guns to Brits heads who voted to leave, this is getting a tiresome argument.

Brits want Brexit, not Russians. :rolleyes:

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Putin wants Brexit why you think lots of Russian money went to leave campaign

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There was large support for Brexit long before any referendum campaign. In fact, that is why there was a referendum in the first place. Why shouldn't one side be allowed to express views? It is the EU that goes around influencing elections by throwing billions at countries.

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:zzz: You're really running with this aren't you. Jeez. Give it a rest.

Lots of dodgy money went Remain camp, but as usual it's a one sided story with you again isn't it. :rolleyes:

Your side lost a legitimate vote, you need to accept it that more Brits voted to leave than remain, in a fair fight in campaigns that lied on both sides, despite all this, leave still won. But because I and millions of Brits want Brexit, does not mean we admire Putin or were influenced by him, no, we actually voted leave because the EU is a corrupted institution, which I consider much worse that Russia in some instances, that Brits can make up their own mind and don't need outside help.

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never said there wasn't it does not stop the fact that Putin wanted Brexit and lots of Russian money went to the leave campaign

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And Putin wanting Brexit is by and far irrelevant in the grand scheme of things.

I want Brexit, millions of others still do and I bet Russia is not at all influencing their choice that they still want to leave the EU!

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I know that Mick and accept that yes I voted remain all I argued for after vote is we should leave with deal and not a no deal

and point about Putin was he get what he wants whoever gets to be next pm that's all

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To be fair, if the reports in the papers are even partially true then it appears the Russians put in a considerable amount of effort to push their agenda. I'm not sure they would create thousands of pro-leave Twitter accounts for the giggle of it.

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I am not convinced that Brits needed any extra Russian help to make their decision for them.

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Maybe you didn't need any help but I'd be surprised if the Russians were just taking a blind punt on influencing the outcome via a concerted social media campaign. The Russians have form for when it comes to pulling a fast one.

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If we're going to talk about influencing voters, I believe the Government spent a few £million sending out leaflets to everyone explaining how bad it would be if we voted to leave the EU . .

I'd love to ask for my money back :D



ooooh, I've just noticed my Bronze Star . . go me

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Ah yes, the Government leaflet with the only mention of No Deal of the whole referendum campaign. :dozey:

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Let's assume for the sake of argument that is something they did. Then all it was is the same as something as anybody else could've done, Now if they they had been going around "helping" people fill out their postal voting forms(as happened with Labour in a previous election), then that would be a different matter. Eg Locally a market stall holder put up a few signs around his stall supporting Brexit. What was wrong with that? Anyway the people who are claimed to have voted for Brexit, are not the ones on social media in the first place.

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Eventually whether it ended up "Deal" or "No Deal", the end result is the same. "Deal" just delays the full leaving of the EU.

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How many times do they need to mention it before it sinks in? Maybe that's why the political parties have taken to repeating their one liners time after time after time, driving us all bonkers.