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Not sure if there is a thread on this, couldn't search for 3D :confused:

Having just got a new 3D TV, I just wanted to express my views on it using my TiVo.

The TV I got was a budget Samsung 43” D490 3D Plasma TV (PS43D490A1WXXU)

I have my TiVo connected by HDMI to a Samsung Home Cinema HT-D5530 Bluray 3D player which connects to my TV also by HDMI.

Although it is not Full HDTV, the picture quality is far superior than my old Phillips 37" LCD HDTV (again 720p)

This TV is available for under £400 and is well worth the money if your looking for a cheap 3D TV
http://www.richersounds.com/product/.../sams-ps43d490

Picture looks sharper and more defined than my old one (not sure if this is a normal LCD via Plasma debate) but I wanted to test out the 3D on demand stuff from VM.
The stuff I looked at was very impressive (the VM logo pop-out in particular looked stunning)

Is there likely to be more 3D content coming up on VM, ie ESPN 3D events or similar?
How often is the content renewed on VOD?

Also I need to manually select the 3D viewing option on my TV, will there be any future update to the TiVo that will send a signal to my TV to change automatically when 3D content is played? Perhaps when the Samsung box is out?

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Um... you paid more for a 3DTV, yet it's not full HD? I don't get it.

Sorry it's not very helpful a very helpful response, but I'm confused. I thought 1080p full HD far outweighed 3DTV as a key feature.

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I read a lot of reviews on this TV, and the majority said for the price it is one of the best on the market.

Full HD might be an advantage on a bigger screen, but for that size I reckon at my viewing range it looks no different to 1080p TV's I have seen.

I'd decided I wanted a 3D TV, so for the money I think I got a great deal IMO. Plus I couldn't justify the extra few £100 quid it would have cost for a 1080p model

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Me personally, I can tell the difference between a 720p LCD TV and a 1080p LCD TV with sizes as low as 26" with naked eye, it's big in terms of sharpness and pixel count. It's less obvious when HDMI sources are used, but it's there.

The thing is, adoption of 3DTV has been low because of the expense, slowness to standardise between manufacturers, the clunky glasses and the amount of shovelware 3D movies that have soured public interest in the format.

My perspective is it's nice to have as a bonus feature but 1080p is more important overall as there's lots of content available. Anything recorded on 35m film has a high resolution and can be scanned down to 1080p easily using digital mastering/compression techniques. Therefore, it's possible for even old movies from the 40s and 50s to be shown in HD. Whereas with modern polarized 3D films they either have to be filmed with a special (and VERY expensive) 3D motion picture camera, or an existing 2D film painstakingly converted which involves hundreds of man hours digitally manipulating the footage. The latter has been critically panned.

Long story short, diff'rent strokes for diff'rent folks, I guess. Best bet for polarized 3D content is a 3D Blu-ray player and an extensive 3D Blu-ray collection. On TV networks there's just not much interest or (more crucially) profit in it right now, so even paid-for On Demand content is scarce.

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Agree with most of that, I do wear glasses though.. maybe need them checked haha

3DTV's have come down massively in price, yeah its probably a fad but its good to sit down with the family and watch a 3D movie.. the other half was very wary about it but when she watched it the other day even she was impressed by the tech involved.

What surprised me the most about the set up I have, is the 2D > 3D conversion.. e.g I put on Eastenders and it surprised me the depth it made it look.. maybe am easy pleased though haha

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Oh I agree, if it's done right the 3D effect is a fun little extra, nice to have. It's just that it's been pushed by Hollywood as the future of film so much that people are apathetical about it now, as you yourself found out with your missus.

I look at it like those Dolby psuedo-Surround effects... they're not going to change the world, but they can improve immersion a little bit.

What I'm looking forward to is Super Hi-Vision. You know how an iPhone 4 has unbelievable sharpness on that tiny screen because of the high resolution and very fine dot pitch? Imagine that multiplied by four and on a 60" plasma screen. It will have better resolution than real life, just like they said in Futurama. :D

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Yeah its a fad, but am sure I will enjoy it while it lasts..

And hopefully VM get more content on and channels to show it off

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The strictly come dancing 3D production showed 3D off pretty well tonight even if the shows utter junk :D

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Yes we had it on in the office, looked good...don't like the show though :D

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Totally agree with that :D

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IMO 3D and the show are junk. I have tried 3D in Comet and Currys.

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You seem to say a lot of things you don't have are junk , you can't make a uniformed decision until you've used one at length in the home environment. So far you've told us 3D is junk , Sky News HD is junk and a waste of bandwidth and Sky Atlantic is poor despite the fact you've probably never seen any of them :rolleyes:

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So you've viewed it once in a shop :D

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I know what you mean about Sky Atlantic. I might actually end up liking some of the shows when it eventually comes.

I do not see the point in HD news channels. I not the only one that thinks that.
http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/35...-post5405.html
http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/11...y-news-hd.html
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Actually twice.

I stand by what i said.

3D could actually be fading.
http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showthread.php?t=1593120

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Why because the OP in that link said it is :D

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Try reading this
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-15967276

That was in the link that i posted to.

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Already have , you'll generally find articles on the web arguing both ways here's just one
http://www.3dtvwatcher.co.uk/3d-tv-s...onfirmed-1606/

3D will consume only a very small amount of most viewers time currently ,hopefully going forward we will see more good content.

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Just because people buy 3D TVs does not mean they actually use 3D.

You can turn off 3D on 3D TVs.

You still need to buy the stupid glasses.

I will consider buying a glasses free 3D TV when it is a reasonable price , works properly and does not make the picture quailty on regular TV worse.

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You'll consider buying one but in post 11 you state 3D is junk. :D I think its an agree to disagree mate.

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Yes junk because you have to wear those stupid glasses to watch 3D.

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From the amount of 3D films and 3D re-releases of films planned and how well 3D TVs are selling and the fact that the BBC and others are broadcasting big events in 3D and even games consoles are embracing 3D, shows that it's not a gimmick or a fad. It's her to stay this time.

I don't watch a lot in 3D on my home tv but when shown to friends they have been very impressed at how well it works.

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Those glasses aren't stupid and is no different to wearing actual glasses to watch tv.

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3D doesn't do anything to regular tv. Most 3D TVs have exceptional 2D picture quality.

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And that quoted post means what exactly?

Yes 3D is an added extra that will not be used all the time you watch tv, but sitting down to watch a certain show or movie in 3D is really fun.

Don't know why some people are fixated on. Wearing a pair of glasses, I have to wear glasses all day anyway so it doesn't bother me.

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Ok look,another BBc anti-3D rant... :D

3D is doing just fine,the numbers are looking good and new 3D Blockbusters get anounced every day.
3D isn't going anywhere. :)

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I have a question.
Are any of the glasses for the TV's been made for people who wear glasses anyway?
Myself and my partner both wear glasses and contact lenses and from what we have seen so far the only comfortable way to watch a 3D tv would be to put contact lenses in to then put glasses on again?

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I wear glasses and the 3D glasses I got (Samsung SSG-3100GB) fit fine over my normal glasses but I wear smaller framed glasses.

Best way would be to go to a store and try them on :)

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glasses-free 3D TVs tend to compromise regular TV pictures at the moment.

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Care to back up that assertion?

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Try properly reading the BBC link that i posted to.

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Try not being such a dork - the only reference in that article uses the same words you did (in fact, I would go as far to say that you quoted it without attribution) It's still only an assertion, as no supporting evidence was given.

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:clap:

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More to the point, it was actually being used as the reason why you can't yet buy glasses free 3d televisions. There is nothing wrong with the 2d picture quality on current 3d televisions which use glasses.

HD boy has misunderstood the one article which he has used to back most of what he has said in this thread.

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Considering the person that said that was from Which magazine. Which magazine test TVs out.

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But they haven't tested glasses free televisions because, as the article states, they're not currently available!

There is nothing to suggest that the 2d picture quality on currently available 3d televisions suffers apart from your own post. The article you're relying your post doesn't contain any basis for what you've said.

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Are you from North America :D

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I am not going to debate about this any further.

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As the wise chinese proverb says "Learning is like the horizon; there is no limit":)

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Good seeing you haven't got a 3DTV. :D

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Don't take any tech advice from either the BBC news site or Which you will get far better info from places like Cnet, Engadget, the Verge. Generally I can't fault the been for their news but some of the stuff I have read from their tech reporters in the past is laughable.

Plus what has dork and North America got to do with one another? Last time I checked they speak English there as well.

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American/Canadian slang

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Thanks for the reply, good to know :)

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Originally a corruption of Dick, British army slang for penis. The yanks may have popularised it's use, and it's meaning might be slightly different now, but we had it first. Sorry!

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That's not the meaning I know - it's a term I picked up when I worked with septics in the USAF/NSA in the 70's/80's.

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Well i found this on wikipedia

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dork

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All 3D glasses are fine to wear on top of regular specs and quite comfortable.

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Is that because so many people have proved your 'theory' as rubbish yet again. With no actual evidence to back up your so called 'theory'

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It is not my theory. I am just saying what the BBC link says.

zantarous has said their tech reporters in the past are laughable. So i will now say that the BBC link is rubbish.

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it is indeed rubbish.

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Watched a bit of it, like you I don't like the show though.

Anyone know of any other 3D 'events' or shows coming up?

How often do VM change their 3D content if at all?

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Not much at the moment.

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It may be the fact that you seem to take notice of only the part that supports whatever hobbyhorse you are on at the time that may make it "rubbish" - there was no corroborative or supporting evidence to back up your/their statement.

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Care to enlighten us , what have you watched in 3D and for how long ?

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It will be interesting to see what the answer will be.:)

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Not everyone likes 3D when you have to wear glasses. 3D will only fully take off when you can watch 3D without glasses.

For example I not going to put on 3D glasses to watch Discovery 3D on demand.

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But that hasn't really answered the question ;)

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Its a answer l am looking forward too when it arrives.:)

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Have you read this ?

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/technol...#ixzz1h0EOIO3q

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Everything in 3D since I was born over 36 years ago:D:D:D Oh you meant on TV? Nothing since the 80's

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LOL :D

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It's funny how I've watched hours of Sky 3D content with no adverse effects I'm sure people who've seen VM 3D OD wont have either.

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Just like the spam ;)

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Mine are the fritters ;)

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LOL :D

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l like my spam with a bit of brown sauce and some chips and thats very palatable unlike the other spam l know.:D

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So HD Boy, how much 3D content have you watched on either VM, Sky or a 3D compatible device (Bluray/PS3 etc) on a TV at home?

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Answers on a postcard please.:)

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How come when I go on to a thread it seems to go off topic:confused:

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I have watched a documentary in 3D.

I do not like watching 3D with glasses on. You will never make me like watching 3D with glasses on.

Also there is not much 3D content.

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What documentary was that then.

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Debbie :o:? Whoops wrong forum

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Ocean Wonderland

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? Where?

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Is this 20 questions ? I do not have a 3D TV so where do you think i watched it.

People need to accept that i have watched a documentary in 3D and i did not like having to wear those stupid 3D glasses to watch a documentary and 3D is over hyped IMO.

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As it was only shown on Blu-ray 3D in the UK

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0404286/

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0404286/releaseinfo#akas

http://blogcritics.org/video/article...wonderland-3d/

http://www.unep.org/PDF/OWL_newA4.pdf

Just asking?

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So one programme? And your based your whole anti-3D rant based on that :)

Am not trying to make you watch anything, it's your choice... but why come into a 3D TiVo thread and make ridiculous comments (much like you do on other threads/forums)

If I seen a thread about a X-Box 360, yet I had a PS3.. I wouldn't go into the X-Box thread to try argue against it.. I would just ignore it.

Why come on and make a post like that? Did you watch Ocean Wonderland in Comet and Currys then?

What you are doing is just trolling these forums (and others) trying to provoke a reaction with your comments.

Also, there is plenty of 3D content about ;)

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You have more or less told me to ignore this thread so i will.

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Perfectly calm here thanks Hugh

HD Boy -

If you want to contribute and discuss the 3D content on TiVo/VM then yeah do please post away, I am interested in your views.
I've not told you to ignore this thread, but just stating that "watching 3D with glasses is rubbish" isn't really discussing it. Why do you feel it is rubbish? Is it you don't feel comfortable with glasses on, or having to wear them over glasses?

You stated - Any basis for that view?

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I can understand what HD Boy means about the glasses they do take time to adjust too , I guess some people feel silly it's similar to prancing around the room playing a Wii game or Kinect. I've watched a fair bit of 3D content now and some is mind blowingly good. I watched The lion king 3D with the little one on Sky 3D , Disney have done a remarkable job , I also watched a trailer for The Bachelor King which looked superb as well.

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Yeah true MM, but some reason behind the view makes a better post.. or something like that :P

Yeah not seen Lion King yet, but got it here to watch. The other halves daughter went to see it at the cinema and said it was the best 3D film she seen. Something about the birds popping out the screen?

Infact I am probably the only person in the UK who ain't seen the Lion King at all.. looking forward to viewing it in full HD 3D glory over the holiday period :)

Wish VM would have a 3D channel, its a pain having to go right into the VOD menus to find the content

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Yes.

Virgin Media could be launching a 3D TV channel next year if this guy is to be believed.

I have retweeted it at the below link
http://twitter.com/#!/HDBoy2011

This could be good for people that have a 3DTV.

Maybe i could get used to 3D glasses. I would take a while to adjust to wearing 3D glasses.

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Do you usually wear spectacles?

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No.

I just do not like wearing glasses full stop.

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Let's hope your eyesight doesn't get less than 20/20, then....

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It would appear the Strictly 3D final is available on Iplayer for those who missed it
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/bbcintern...3d_1.html#more

Update poor on Iplayer in my opinion.

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l will pass on that one as l have never been a strictly fan MM.:)

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In fairness I think they're using it as a way of getting feedback and improving their 3d on demand offering, but out of interest why poor? Buffering or picture quality, and what platform did you see it on?

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I saw it first live on BBC HD and it was an excellent production , even though the shows not upto much :D , I tried it on iplayer on my LG connected TV and the PQ was awful very blocky.

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That's exciting and disappointing in equal measure, then. I have to say if the Beeb are prepared to try and develop this format, even against the backdrop of the cuts we all know they're having to make, then its hard to argue that its dying.

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ps. you protest too much - we all know you love the show, really!

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LOL , I agree regards the BBC and 3D though.

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I believe you are supposed to view 3D in a dimly lit room, not (I imagine) a brightly lit shop floor. That was my mistake when I first got the same TV As OP, thought it was rubbish 'til I read up on it. Fantastic HD picture aswell. Unfortunately, I got mine 7 months ago and paid £629 :shocked:

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Is there still an issue with Tivo 3D and the Technika TV?. I've just ordered this package in the sales http://direct.tesco.com/q/R.901-9277.aspx and I'm wondering if the compatability issue which Virgin said would be sorted by December 11th is now fixed?

If not,I will have to bring the VHD box down from upstairs to watch 3D.

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I'm not aware of any 3D compatibility problems with TiVo. Do you have a link?

That Technika TV does have a problem with V+ though, and I'd expect V-HD to be affected in the same way.

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Just found the link

http://community.virginmedia.com/t5/...TV/td-p/887249

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OK, that's talking about the compatibility problem with V+. As far as I know the TiVo doesn't have the same problem.

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The next big thing in 3D is going to be the Olympics. Which is going be exclusive to Virgin Media

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Any link for that statement.

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Oh thank goodness for that. Thanks for that Spiderplant. I'm now hoping there will be no issues with the HDMI connection as I have only been getting 576 resolution with my Evesham tv so I'm looking forward to some HD at last when the new tv arrives on Friday.

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I'll be interested to hear how that TV performs. On the face of it, it's a pretty amazing price.

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You do sound like someone who used to frequent this shire....

Cheers
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Admin (Chris): Your troll-spotting skills do you credit, young Skywalker. ;)

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It's due be announced in the new year.

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Is that what you call insider information.;)

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Sorry to burst your bubble but that is rubbish , the BBC have to make their content available to the widest possible audience , I would expect the Olympics in 3D to be available to VM , all Satellite customers and Freeview customers just the same as Wimbledon was this year.

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How about the people that are there as well:D:D:D:D OH Damn they will see it in 3D without the glasses :D:D:D:D