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Ntl to reduce upload speed on 10mb
I saw this on the other site, and if it is true and not just a typo, it seems pointless to continue paying £34.99 for the same upload as the 4mb tier :td:
http://home.ntl.com/websales/product.do?id=3264 2Mb broadband Upload Speed (Kbps) 256 4Mb broadband Upload Speed (Kbps) 384 10Mb broadband Upload Speed (Kbps) 384 |
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LOL Why do you think I downgraded from 10meg to 2meg - It certainly wasn't because I wanted to save pennies (I've been giving Telewest top tier money for over 5 years) : More like I didn't want to waste pennies ;)
They rang me up the other week and as asked if everything was ok with the downgrade and stuff : I gave them a good piece of my mind. |
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I am confident that is a typo :) |
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NTL making a mistake....... nooooooooo ;)
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I believe those the upload speeds on TW :)
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I think their direct debit for next month is safe! |
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[quote name='xDarkAngelx' date='Dec 8 2006, 06:25 PM' post='254071'] Was talking about this today to an NTL employee... Apparently they are altering the speeds so 20mbit can have 512k up! And these are also the same upload speeds TW users have...i guess they want the same all across?[/quote] If it is true, you would imagine they would increase Telewest's upload, rather than decrease Ntl's :rolleyes: |
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Ok if you want to take it as gospel fine. But i have heard nothing and i honestly think its a typo. Plus show me where NTL have said they are going to give customers 20 meg. NOTE i said NTL not the rumour maker on the street corner. NTL trailed 20 meg yes. But that does not mean they will release it. |
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http://home.ntl.com/websales/product.do?id=3246 Another downgrade request going in if it's true. Good of NTL to twist my arm to save £10/month... |
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what the hell...... My mates got BT ADSL and it bloody uploads faster than this!! and he is on 8mb.....
I would expect an ratio of upload like 1mb for every 10mb atleast |
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i am already of thinking of leaving ntl cause of their sh*tty broadband speeds at night time. This might just confirm it!
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only office class adsl has faster upload then 10meg cable. |
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My config hasn't changed, obviously they would of changed that. Maybe its new customers only?
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20 meg will not have the 1 meg upload if they are indeed changeing the upload to a pathetic 384k it will be the 768 they started with, great
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I have had poor upload speed for the last couple of weeks and just checked my speeds for the 10 meg service and got:-
Download 9.83Mbps Upload 349Kbps From my viewpoint it is clear that the upload speed has been capped at about 350 Kbps for a few weeks now!!! |
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And this Clearly proves your wrong. https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2006/12/20.png And this Cable Modem Operation Configuration Network Access : Allowed Maximum Downstream Data Rate : 10240000 Maximum Upstream Data Rate : 512000 Maximum Upstream Channel Burst : 1600 Maximum Number of CPEs : 1 Modem Capability : Concatenation Enabled, Fragametation Enabled, |
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My uploads still 512k according to my config on NTL.
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Upload Speed (Kbps) 384 so it is not a typo.:( Ken W |
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If I were at ntl towers, I wouldn't have tiered packages on the download side but on the upload instead.
It seems that it's the upload speeds that causes most problems for ntl's netwoek. So, why not have diffrent packages based soley on upload speed? Everyone could, network permitting, all download at 10mb. But, everyone would be on diffrent upload packages depending on what you use and prepared to pay. Plus, if ntl ever do bring out their legal p2p services, it would be another way to make money out of the downloaders. Don't get charged for what you download, but what you upload. No uploads, no downloads... |
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The upload for 2mbit has increased to 256 (Kbps) on this webpage so i'd say it's not a typo either!
2Mb broadband Upload Speed (Kbps) 256 4Mb broadband Upload Speed (Kbps) 384 10Mb broadband Upload Speed (Kbps) 384 Let's hope its just a trial and they won't lower the uploads. Just rebooted my modem and i haven't been downgraded yet. |
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Is this true?
Yes i have turned up again for this. I am on 10mb and I game alot on Battlefield 2142, and my partner uses MSN and Yahoo and some chatrooms, my ping then is about 70 or 80, without her using the net I drop to about 20-40. Now your going to drop my upload on 10mb? let me tell you now NTL you do this and that £35 per month will be shoved so far up your **** you will be spitting my sacm from your nasal passages. I expect at least 512k upload on 10mb and I will not pay more to you to get more you thieving robbing swines, your network is falling to pieces and your talking about 20mb? Sort your network out and listen to the customers not your accountants. |
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Well I wish to know and soon.
I am not impressed and I may even write a formal complaint about this to them giving a true piece of my mind, and make sure that a stink its kicked up on about every single forum I can find about this. NTL's network barely can handle 10mb users, and now they want to add 20mb users and then sod the 10mb £35 a month paying users downgrade those SO YOU CAN LINE YOUR WALLETS WITH WHAT?? £40-50 A MONTH USERS ON 20MB who will get no where near those speeds and give them our uploads speeds so you can then get even more profits for 2007, you idiotic ****ing company NTL you have just proven if you do this that your customers are nothing to you, that you do not care about the quality of service, and care they get and that the only thing which matters to you is how much profit your making per month. |
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Also bear in mind although there seems to be a moderate amount of users on here demanding high upload speeds the generic web surfer isnt interested in upload speeds and the headline spec of the product is download speed. ---------- Post added at 00:09 ---------- Previous post was at 00:07 ---------- to add I would be ****ed of also tho if I was paying 35 notes and had a downgrade of upload speed, but then again I would be one of the few probably upgrading to the £50 tier if it turned up. |
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Here's my 4MB test:
https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2006/12/19.png Looks like it's 384, down from 400 :( |
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Why you don't get the speeds and then your showing NTL they can gouge you for the speed and you will pay.
You will be lucky to be any quicker than the 10mb users. |
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---------- Post added at 00:19 ---------- Previous post was at 00:15 ---------- Those that say there upload has dropped could you post your modem configs. like this Cable Modem Operation Configuration Network Access : Allowed Maximum Downstream Data Rate : 10240000 Maximum Upstream Data Rate : 512000 Maximum Upstream Channel Burst : 1600 Maximum Number of CPEs : 1 Modem Capability : Concatenation Enabled, Fragametation Enabled, PHS Disabled |
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Hold up.
IF they do this, then whats to stop us all saving money and going with 4mb? I know I may until I can sort out a new ISP. |
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What upload speeds do other ISP's have that are in your area? |
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I'll have to find out but iI know someone with BT Broadband who gets 8mb down with 400 up for £24.99. Or a very close amount.
Either way I plan on speaking to him soon likely in the morning and having a word, if this is final from NTL and fact and not a typo I plan on changing my provider, it's overpriced now but a drop in service to facilitate a upgraded speed to another tariff of which can only serve a as a financial appeal over any hope of service quality is just beyond contempt. |
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I will be making some calls on Monday to try and get to the bottom of this .
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That's one way to stir up a hornets nest :LOL: |
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@Bill C: SB 4100 so can't see that info!
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Have you tried: http://192.168.100.1/ Then again, as far as I can see, my 3100 doesn't list what speed it's set to, so if your 4100 just shows the same stuff it won't provide the info you want. :shrug: |
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The 4100 has a diagnostic page just like the 3100 does - I had a 4100 when i lived in a Telewest area and was always looking at the diag page (had some issues early on)
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my config is still 512k on the upload.
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On the 4100 if you go to 192.168.100.1 and click on logs you'll see 4 columns,one of these is labelled code.Look for E102.0 and you should see something like this in the message column
SW Download INIT - Via Config file cm-10240-384 I'm with BY and am used to the 384 upload,was rather hoping that we'd get the NTL 512 but seems they're going the other way on this. What surprises me tho,if it's true,is the timing...why do it now when it means taking something away from your customers which is bound to upset more than a few people.Surely,if the rumoured upgrades are true,that would be the time to do it....put the 10meg on the 20/768 that BY has trialled.That way you'd be complaining that you weren't given as much,for free,that you'd expected or hoped for.A totally different scenario and ,in my opinion,no real justification for a complaint |
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As i said i will make some phone calls tomorrow and see if i can find out what is going on. |
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Still 512k here:
Network Access : AllowedMaximum Downstream Data Rate : 10240000Maximum Upstream Data Rate : 512000Maximum Upstream Channel Burst : 1600Modem Capability : Concatenation Enabled, Fragmentation Disabled, PHS DisabledMaximum Number of CPEs : 1 |
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mine's still on 512k jus chked config!
but currently it doesnt matter what speeds u have with ntl, as they are never upto wat they are configured to anyway! so i guess this will only affect ppl that are actually getting the advertised speeds! |
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Remember you should not bash other members of forums. And i recognise your addy, funnily from what i remember your the one banned from a few efnet channels for starting lies and spreading bull rumours...yes? Anyways...my upload is set at 512k but i've been struggling to get over 30kb/s for a few weeks now, but im guessing thats due to nottinghams upload bandwith being saturated like hell (ntl have admitted this) And im pretty sure the site is just a typo...at least, im hoping so. If not, then i would be off to be, i need that upload (the slow down has practically stopped my gaming as of late) |
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No change for me yet.
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I know the 4100 has a diag page, it just doesn't show the upload/download speeds, i do see this a lot in the log:
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061210115226 7-Information H501.6HFC: TRC SYNC Recovery OK |
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I seem to have different entries to you.This is what i get
0611180028338-DebugM579.3CM Cert Upgrade Disabled. Motorola CM certificate present 0611180028338-DebugF502.2Bridge Forwarding Disabled. 0611180028327-InformationX500.0Attempting Unit Update 0611180028276-NoticeE102.0SW Download INIT - Via Config file cm-10240-384 0611180028278-DebugI503.0Cable Modem is OPERATIONAL 0611180028268-DebugF502.1Bridge Forwarding Enabled. 0611180028268-DebugF502.3Bridge Learning Enabled. 0611180028268-DebugB918.0Baseline Privacy is skipped As you can see the e102.0 entry gives the speed i'm on |
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and if this significant change were to find its way to the Virgin Media towers and become fact rather than rumour, then id assume theregister.co.uk and all the other broadband news agencys would be interested in the users thoughts and wishes. i assume someone has dropped mike or tony ,perhaps one of the other lads there a note to look into this for a news report if its required for a nice topical cristmas scrooge story.... its also possible that the TW users could also make news for not being given the current higher NTL upload rate yet paying the same rates. also the point about your average downloader NOT careing about it, that might be true, however thats ONLY because they dont know the reasons. if the main web news sites were to explain the fact the if your uploads rate go down your gaming suffers directly because of that reduction, im sure as hell that THEY WOULD CARE and kick up a stink and perhaps we might see better ratio offers in time as the complaints role in. ----------------------------------------------------------- ps. it appears the ntl have moved the standard NTL T&C and tidyed up that page to give links pages. the t&c was here in full http://www.home.ntl.com/page/termsresidential now its here http://www.home.ntl.com/html/termsandconditions.html the part your interested in is probably " 20 CANCELLATION RIGHTS 20.1 You may cancel the Services without penalty in the following circumstances:-
30 NOTICES 30.1 Notices given under this Agreement should be delivered by hand or by prepaid first class post or electronic mail either:-
pps multi quote doesnt seem to work for me ?...... i have to go back and edit manuallly. |
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If anyone wants to start an argument or get abusive in this thread, I won't think twice about banning them from CF immediately. This is the first and final warning.
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Well 512k here still but it is Sunday.
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Maybe we should all wait and see if the team can get some form of official statement from NTL on this? Up till then it's just speculation...... I know it doesn't stop us normally ;)
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Yes i am on Blueyonder...i do say that in my first post.What i didn't realise was that the logs on the 4100 would be different for a BY user as opposed to an NTL user but that seems to be the case as my logs are totally different to -Web-Junkie's |
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Thanks for that. I was not having a go by the way. :angel: |
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All I get regards a config entry is this:
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************ 7-Information D509.0 Retrieved TFTP Config File SUCCESS |
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Thats OK, I didn't take it as having a go,just a question so i thought it would only be polite to answer it. |
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Check for me too Bill :D But folks hold tight, if it is a typo, you are gonna look right wallies ;) |
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show off!
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ADSL? :D:D My isp has a 1.3mb upload :D |
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I have made some calls, Just waiting on a reply now. However every one i talk to says they know nothing about any change.
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I bet you the 2 slices of toast i'm eating atm, that this turns out to be a total load of crap :P
mmmmm marmite |
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Network Access : AllowedMaximum Downstream Data Rate : 10240000Maximum Upstream Data Rate : 512000Maximum Upstream Channel Burst : 1600Maximum Number of CPEs : 1Modem Capability : Concatenation Enabled, Fragametation Enabled, PHS Disabled
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Everyone i have spoken to that would be involved in something like this say they have not heard anything about a change. That does not mean its not happening it just means that no one has heard anything about it. It could be true or it could not be true. At the moment i am not worried as i feel that its not true. Famous last words :) |
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generally if most in NTL who should be aware of something like this changing, aren't aware then it means it's probably TRUE!!!
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Well, it looks like i'll be keeping my toast then.... which is a good thing, cus i've already eaten it!
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I have approached ntl for some official clarification. Expect the answer shortly.
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Anyone else thinking they may have done this "typo" to test the water of the reaction?
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It was indeed a typo - I have had it confirmed by ntl - They have now corrected the error @ http://home.ntl.com/websales/product.do?id=3264 .
The upload for 10Mb is still 512kbps. To Felinix Devotion - As already mentioned - the ntl website has just recently been upgraded - so a mistake such as this can be easily made. No need to look too much into it. |
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Yes finally got a answer myself. Seems it was indeed a Telewest speed that was incorrectly stated. :) |
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Everyone owes me toast :P
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http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/sh...29&postcount=3 :angel: |
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You love being right dont you? |
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Felinix Devotion will be happy. ;)
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Notice all the doom and gloom merchants are not about,:LOL: |
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Somebody needs to let the rest of ntl's staff know then, because they are still telling customers that speeds are being reduced :confused:
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If it was true how come i still get this https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/local/2006/12/9.png And this. CABLE MODEM •[img]Download Failed (1)[/img]Information •[img]Download Failed (1)[/img]Status •[img]Download Failed (1)[/img]Downstream •[img]Download Failed (1)[/img]Upstream •[img]Download Failed (1)[/img]Upstream Burst •[img]Download Failed (1)[/img]Operation Config. •[img]Download Failed (1)[/img]Event Log [img]Download Failed (1)[/img] Cable Modem Operation Configuration Network Access : Allowed Maximum Downstream Data Rate : 10240000 Maximum Upstream Data Rate : 512000 Maximum Upstream Channel Burst : 1600 Maximum Number of CPEs : 1 Modem Capability : Concatenation Enabled, Fragametation Enabled, PHS Disabled |
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I will say it again Its a load of crap. Tell you what be* want to put your money where you mouth is. ? If you are so sure its happening. NO ONE HAS HAD THERE UPLOAD CHANGED TODAY. REASON there is a network freeze on till the new year there always is at this time of year. ? |
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Erm i just stated i dont believe it.
I said in my last post if its true anyway regarding the speed drop. For once I do believe you |
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It was a typo. I don't know - I have had it confirmed 'officially' by ntl and yet people still believe a simple little error as though it is fact.
The upload rate is 512kbps and will still be tomorrow and the day after that and then the day after that, you get the picture.... |
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