Fox hunting
 

what do people think about fox hunting?
i personally find it repulsive in the present age that people would even consider hunting down a wild animal chasing it till it's exhausted and letting it be ripped to pieces by a pack of dogs

a total ban is what is needed for this disgusting so called 'sport' which brings nothing but suffering to foxes and dont start on the 'they steal chickens from farmers' so what its part of nature why dont the farmers just put up a better defense :mad:

Well.. It does happen naturally, I think people find it so repulsive cos the people who do it, get kicks out of it.. Strict Restrcitions are probably the best..

It's unnecessary and repulsive. And posh, and that's enough reason to have it banned.

exactly why do the royals do it what 'legitimate' reasons do they conjur up ?

While I have no particular desire to go fox hunting I don't go for this "ban everything the majority don't like" thing.

Next thing you know they'll be wanting to ban happy hour & replace the pubs with coffee shops.

Alan

what happens naturally?

Predators go after there prey.

eh ?

no one said were going to ban everything the majorty do its a specific subject what plausable or actual valid reasons are there from fox hunting i already mentioned one that they seem to come up with

true but the fox has a chance to escape and predators only kill what they eat, they don't rip apart animals for fun

Man after fox? Man after woman maybe. Oh, wait, I get it now...

care to expand on that statement

I don't really have a problem with the fox population being controlled as I'm sure they are a menace to farmers, it's just the way they are controlled that bothers me....

I would like to know what all the fox protesters are going to do on the weekend when there are no fox hunts to protest about ?
Are there any air bases or bypasses that need their attention?

While foxes are pretty to look at, they are a nuisance. Last year one night a young fox chewed up my clothes line (one of those rotary ones), which I'd taken down to mow the lawn. It also chewed up some outside cabling & dragged the following to the centre of the lawn & chewed up:
1) A bag of building sand.
2) A grow-bag with tomato plants
3) A bag of chipped bark.

Clearing the lawn up took some time.

So my opinion is "Not in my back yard" - literally.

However, I am more concerned the the gradual creep of law into regulating everything we do. The law should be there to allow people to coexist & settle their differences in a controlled manner. It should not be there to force other folks to conform to one's personal view of correct behaviour. If it was, then I'd like to see the following banned for a start:

Smoking - As a non-smoker it gets up my nose.
Dogs in public places - coz of the mess
Wimbledon on TV - I find tennis a boring spectator sport
All public service strikes - they inconvenience me
Dangerous sporting activities - I don't want to pay for other folks hospital treatment when they've done something stupid.
Off-topic discussion of Avril - it's getting tedious (a bit below the belt I know) ;)

Well actually I don't want to see them banned because Article 29 (subsection (2)) of the United Nations Declaration of Human Rights states:

"In the exercise of his rights and freedoms, everyone shall be subject only to such limitations as are determined by law solely for the purpose of securing due recognition and respect for the rights and freedoms of others and of meeting the just requirements of morality, public order and the general welfare in a democratic society."

hmmm looking atthe otions available is someone suggesting a 'cap' on fox hunting ?? eg if you exceed one fox per day you risk having your horn stuffed :rolleyes:
Edit: further thought:

If fox hunting had started after the introduction of computer games would people be blaming the games industry for having a detrimental effect on society :confused:

Was that person a Mr Goodland? lol

no one gives a damn about what your post just said except me and the above if you wish to discuss that pm me......

why shouldnt they be allowed to live

its like saying we should kill humans because they eat other animals :confused:

Actually the fox cant escape, its den is barred with wooden stakes, all the fox can do is run and run until its exhausted then the terrified animal has to wait and watch the pack of hounds came into view. It knows its number is up but has no energy to move. Thats when it has its flesh torn from its bones, able to feel everything for the last few seconds of its life.

And that people is why my uncle will not allow hunting on his property.

the above is true its totally barbaric

umm think u've misread my post i was refering to wild animals being hunted by wild another animal not hunts.

I was shocked and disgusted when I saw how many people voted to not change the law. Do these same people want bear baiting dog fighting and any other barbaric and disgusting past time also brought back!!

I am sorry but in this day and age it makes me sad to see how cruel people can be

I agree with your statement.

edit I thought & hoped that more people would have wanted it banned.

Problem is its not an issues that directly affects others, so many people will be thinking "whats the point anyway"

The only sure way to get people to back a ban on fox hunting is to show in graphic detail what happens to the fox as the pack of hounds rip it apart. Maybe then people will be sickened enough to ban it.

Either that or makes the posh knobs who want hunting......especially some of the snooty women I have come across run from the damned hounds.
Oh and BTW these reports of people being whipped by memebers of a hunt........it happens, they also damage fences and vehicles if they think they are in the way. For some reason they dont think they have to obey tresspass laws. Maybe if farmers started shooting at menebers of the hunt the common people could have sport of their own?

An interesting choice of words in choice 3, namely "No change". Now, if choice 3 read, "Continue to allow lovable, furry animals to be ripped to pieces by a slavering pack of hounds for the enjoyment of a howling mob of upper class twits", perhaps the number of people agreeing with choice 3 might be smaller. :)

howling mob of upper class twits & howling mob of upper class wannabes u mean

one trained marksman can do the job far more efficiently and humanely.

Set the hounds on the hunters I say and see how they get perverse pleasure from that!

what a splendid idea ol' chap :D



very true :)

Mmmmm.. yes.. put that way would certainly would change the outcome of the voting..... however, using lovable, furry animals is no less emotive than using wild, destructive vermin to describe foxes :eek:
And i certainly know people who don't consider foxes to be lovable :erm: but simply see them as a threat to their fowl, but then these people also do not ride about on horses in hunting pink and have their dogs savage the fox either.... they attempt to shoot it if it comes near their animals.. which i suppose is reasonable.
The problem is that the word fox has been used in such a pejorative way throughout history that people do not see them as the relavitely innocent creatures that they are... from being sly and cunning to being the devil himself....

What chance do they really have?

maybe it's time farmers improved security on there chicken coups etc, the problem is most farmers see animals as walking meals or the see them as £ÃÆ ’‚£Ãà¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚£ not as living things

yep so they should they are the ones who keep going on about how there animals are being attacked or taken away by foxes

i think thats unfair most are in there because they like what they do i dont think there is much money in it really..........

Yes they should.... but the people i'm referring to are not farmers as such, but are peasants in another country. The coups are as secure as they can be, but the hens are for their own consumption and the eggs they lay hardly make enough to £ÃÆ ’‚£Ãà¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã…¡Ãƒâ€šÃ‚£ to do anything much at all.

But i agree with you and those that can, should.

And just so you know, I've always voted to ban fox hunting and always will :)

My point exactly. You need to be very careful in your choice of words in this sort of questionnaire. Personally, I'd have made choice 3, "Allow hunting to continue", then it more nearly matches the words in choice 1.

:D

Sorry.... when i read your post, i heard you advocating the anti-hunt vote.... so interpreted your words that way... i was looking for meaning where there was none. Obviously my own view helped to colour my interpretation ;)

Lets look at it as.... you played to the stalls and boxes.. and i played to the plebs in the slips ;) :p

Fox hunting hapens.. Live with it.

We live in an age that has gone nuts. Everything we do is either Questioned by some Hippy Tree hugger or is made illegal by some stupid European Law.

People are worrying about Killing Foxes & the straigtness of Bannanas (Actual EU Legislation). What about the amout of abused children in the UK, what about all the homeless people?

Should we not sort out these problems before we worry about things like Fox Hunting?

True, there are more important things to get heated about but each to their own I suppose.:)

The point of thematter is, not only are we wanting to ban fox hunting, its a stab at the establishment of the class system that has re-appeared in this country. If the "common" people can force the gov to go against the "toffs" then there will be improvement all round for everything.

Whoever said about farmers and animals being walking meal or cahs, yes that is true of some farmers, this is why we had a) the BSE crisis and b) foot and mouth.
A lot of farmers will not spend any money on their livestock

Yes.... fox hunting happens... but why should we live with it? In that vein.... children are abused daily, bought into slavery and prostitution... should be live with that because it happens? Homeless people are everywhere....should we live with that also?
The answer is obviously no.
The people who care about issues such as animal welfare don't necessarily ignore other issues simply because they care about other forms of life. This thread is about fox hunting... if you start one about child abuse perhaps you'll see the same people take a similar stance.
While i personally don't care about the shape of my bananas.... the fact that the EU does, and does simply for profit, is an argument that some people care about because it's linked to politics and bureaucracy.. and affects all of us in the wider sense.

These people who are choosing to do something about fox hunting cannot be criticised for being pro-active about something they care about. We don't know that they are NOT doing other things about other important issues.

The question is... what are YOU doing to help stop child abuse and homelessness?

While I am not a protester against fox hunting, I do agree it should be banned. Partly because it is cruel to the fox (which, let's face it, spends the last few minutes of it's life terrified and in great pain),and partly because I have seen (on photos admittedly) what the hounds do if the fox escapes. Put simply, they are worked up into such a frenzy that they will kill ANY animal, including pets.

Apart from those two, as a race, we seem to be striving for efficiency in all things. How is it efficient to have 1 fox chased by upto 20 people on horse, and god knows how many hounds?

I am not denying foxes are vermin, but surely the marksman idea suggested earlier is more efficient.

When was the last time a bunch of toffs went out on horseback with a pack of hounds on a rat hunt?

Ah.. but that would be murder...... killing one of your own... :naughty: :p

Hey, kink, how come you are insulting rats?

Ok nikki... point taken.. before my offensive comment gets modded....

Sorry, to all the rats on the forum and i know there are a few........ no offence intended :p ;)