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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-50397856

This is rather bad timing for the Govt, and also for the rest us that use the NHS. Surprised they haven't managed to suppress it till after the election like they have with other bad news, someone's slipped up there !

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The worse figures for 15 years since they started compiling figures

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And that is one of reasons why the Conservatives if they veer too far away from their Brexit narrative are vulnerable IMO

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H'mm. Can't see how Labour's 4-day week idea is going to help the waiting list situation! :D

I don't think the Conservatives have got much to fear from that rabble. Most people with any common sense know that Corbyn and McDonnell are stuffed full of half baked ideas which unravel almost immediately after they are announced.

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People will only get ill 4 days per week once illness is nationalised;)

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Why do you keep peddling these lies?

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l am not talking about Labour but alas what else can one expect with your usual default parrot response.

l use the NHS all the time and believe you me there ain't much love for the Conservatives with regards to the NHS.

The Conservatives would be wise to try to neutralise the NHS during this election as its a battleground in which they are extremely vulnerable.

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Why do you deny the truth?

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I know you don't like to hear it, but clearly when you find that the Conservatives have failed at something, it is perfectly reasonable to draw attention to the fact that the other side would only make it worse.

The Conservatives have announced extra money in an effort to address the problem. Labour have pledged more still, but they spoil it all by putting everyone on a four-day week, which would make things even worse!

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Labour have admitted it. Are you saying Labour politicians are liars?

Labour would be a disaster for this country. Even worse than the last government, which we are still suffering the effects from now.

Manic spending now = pain tomorrow. Simples.

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Like all the promises whether they are from the Conservatives , Labour or the Lib Dems made during this election campaign they ain't worth the paper they are written on..

Words and promises are cheap...

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As the NHS staff don't exist in the first place, no amount of spending will rectify that. If the Hospitals are looking for staff, but can't find them, the money must've already been set aside in their budgets. That should mean they already have the money available for extra staff.


Sweden spends more on health(3rd highest in EU), but still has long waiting lists, shortages of staff, and missed targets for treatment times.

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I know what we can do, make all the EU staff in the NHS feel like they're not welcome and will be more appreciated elsehere . That'll help. :rolleyes:

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I'm not sure if you're allowed to post stuff like that when everyone else is having a rant about the failing UK NHS ;) :D

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He's a disciple of the Trump fake news school........

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We're already the No 1 target destination for EU medical staff.

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They are not lies, if you have nothing to back up your ridiculous statement then don't infer such mundane accusations. :rolleyes:

We are in Austerity because yet again, another Labour government ending in 2010, 13 years in power, spent like crazy. Net government debt as a percentage of GDP had soared from 38% to 69% from 2007 to 2010. It also rose under Conservative rule, too, but at a far slower pace thanks to Austerity measures.

Labour always piss up the economy when they are in power and Corbyn will do far more damage with the socialist Marxist Agenda he and his momentum lot, if he/they ever get in power.

Fancy us looking like Venezuela. ?? :rolleyes:

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Only it is not fake news so stop being silly - Labour helped trash the economy when they were in power. The facts are there FFS.

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It's a small sample of mostly right wing cable nerds ;), however it does reflects all the polls at the weekend showing Labour rising.

This has got all the hallmarks of 2017 again. The more the party leaders are exposed, free of media bias, the more the Tories go downhill. If the the election was in a week I'd still be confident in Con HQ, but it's in a month, by which time the public will be sick of the sight of Boris's ugly lieing chops.

PS. I didn't vote for Labour in the poll, so you can't blame me ! ;)

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This should cheer the Conservatives supporters up though.

https://politicshome.com/news/uk/pol...st-zero-claims

This little tweet amused me though when Boris Johnson meets the people.;)

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Yes, he really is not liked in the North of England where the Conservatives hope to make gains. I don't think they've grasped this.

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He handles the protesters well - Corbyn runs away like the chicken shit he is.

A few protesters doesn't necessarily mean a Tory defeat - we should want them to win - Corbyn would ruin the UK Denphone, you sure you want a Labour government messing up this country and turning it in to a socialist country, where sitting on your arse means getting the same as someone who studies and works hard?

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For the Conservative to gain a overall majority they need to make gains in the North and if they don't breakthough there then we could well be in hung parliament territory again.

Remember the Conservatives who are so strong in the South and South East are well likely not to gain more seats there.

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l am neither a fan of Corbyn or Johnson as l think both would be disastrous and ruinous for this country as this is the worse bunch of political leaders in my lifetime.

Where did l say the Tories would be defeated Mick? as my prediction is for a hung parliament.

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It has to be down to some sort of inertia. The only two national parties with decisive things to say about the major issues are the Tories and - dare I say it - the Limp Dumbs.

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This reply is so out of touch with reality, it could have come from the Daily Mail comment section.

The primary cause of the 2010 onward austerity programme was the response to the 2008 financial crash which in turn was caused by the casino banking allowed by the excessive deregulation. To argue any different is just being disingenuous.

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You obviously have access to the "truth", so please enlighten us ..

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you've already been enlightened by others you just won't accept it.

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No it is not disingenuous at all - far from it.

I wouldn't know a Daily Mail comment from the next. So this assertion is irrelevant.

And what about all the years before that crash?

Totally irrelevant to blame just the 2008 crash - it does not remove any blame from Labour for ruining the economy and causing the next government to introduce austerity that was badly needed to reduce the deficit, we cannot just keep writing blank cheques, like Labour was doing.

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Absolutely spot on. The facts are there.

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Seen so many assertions and labels for that ridiculous party that is far from "Liberal" and "Democrat". They're "Illiberal Undemocrats." in my eyes especially under the Swindler Swinson.

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Urrmm, like the one in Glastonbury today Boris ran away from ? :D
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...merset-protest

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That wasn't one protester though, so no, not er like the one in Glastonbury today - here you go again with not researching your information properly and reading things as you should.

The story you link to says - It was over 100 people, far far different situation.

Yesterday, Jeremy ran from one Glaswegian.

I would not want to meet any of those idiots in ER either.

Do come back when you have an actual valid argument to counter with.

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Not quite, actually. The financial crash was not Labour's fault, and I think you will find that we have acknowledged that many times over on these forums, so I don't know why you trot this stuff out yet again.

Unfortunately, I now have to trot out the standard response, in the interests of balance.

Labour spent all of our reserves and so did not have any money for a rainy day. We had nothing to cover the deficit and basically, we were up the Swanee. Labour had no idea what to do and we were in real danger of going under. That's why austerity was necessary, but we all know that your answer would have been even more spending.

Socialists never learn.

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Total Tory Spin, as usual. You are incapable of accepting the immorality of the free market and are incapable of assigning the blame where it belongs. All Government make mistakes and New Labour were no different than the rest. However, the greed of the City was the primary driver of the crash and the following recession. These facts are undeniable to anyone with an objective view.

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Bless

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tbf he was replying to another poster who says it's 100% Labours fault ie. trotting out the same porky pies again.

2010 is a long time ago now, 'it's all Labours fault for the state of the country' is wearing thin ..

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But you consistently claim that the Labour Party is primarily responsible for austerity in this country when they are are not.

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Meanwhile, Labour seems to have found an entire magic money forest.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50427369

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And in one fell swoop, will put Virgin Media, City Fibre, all the Open reach piggy backers and all the other Alt-nets out of business.

That’s a lot of jobs lost and a lot of voters he has just lost with such crackpot idea.

What next, free Gas, Water and Electricity?

Edit...

This is priceless. They are going to nationalise OpenReach and call them “British Broadband” and get this

He’s a lunatic.

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In 2010 The government inherited massive ongoing extra costs(eg Tax Credit system). A lot of that extra spending was set in motion long before 2008. The average deficit for 2002-2007 was £42.5bn, and that includes spending the surplus from the conditions that Labour inherited, that peaked at £15.7bn in a year. The spending wasn't the sort of a household 12 month contract and cancel without penalty any time after that. It was firmly embedded and largely irreversible. All that extra pre-crash spending, resulted in over £10bn/year extra just in interest payments.

So not only do you have over £500bn of pre-crash excessive spending/borrowing, you have the buy now, pay later of PFI. If after 2010 the borrowing had been kept at 2009/10 levels, then another £600bn would have been added to the debt.

imagine the scenario where you inherit a business, but your predecessor had signed up to irreversible contracts that were unnecessarily expensive. Who is to blame for a future required cost-cutting exercise? The predecessor is. They were the ones that signed up to the unsustainable costs, that you cannot get out of.

Really would love to know what the Conservatives were meant to do in order to overnight reverse a £158.3bn deficit. Now that would have really been austerity.

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I predict this will unravel very quickly.

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whoever is next pm the country is screwed both Corbyn and Johnson are disasters and will totally ruin this county

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Ok, let's run with this a bit. What alternative system to capitalism would you have GB adopt, and how would this system make the majority better off?

You can complain about capitalism as much as you like, but which countries do refugees always flock to?

Contemplate that before you answer.

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You see, you have this blind spot. I have acknowleged yet again that Labour was not responsible for the worldwide crash. You get that right?

The next stage of the thought process is why we didn't have sufficient resources at hand to whether the storm. That's where Labour fell down. It's where Labour always fall down. They just never learn.

They spent all the reserves, and have nothing to show for it! Except, yes, austerity.

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Only the dreamers will accept this nonsense.

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Calm down, Dave. Vote Johnson and the country will prosper. You'd better believe it, because there is no credible alternative.

If you care about your future prosperity and that of your family and the country, vote for Boris.

Thank me only when you see the results. It will be sooner than you think.

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Don't think the Tories can play that card any longer with the amount of spending/borrowing they're planning !

It's rattled a few cages for sure and could prove popular with the Joe public. Hence the panic.. VM/Sky/BT have had it easy, with spiralling bills, for far too long.

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Labour spent all our reserves? Please enlighten me as to when the country hasn't been hundreds of billions in debt?

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The services aren't creating genuine competition for consumers though. All of these "jobs" are inefficiencies and duplication in the sector pushing up prices for the consumer, not down.

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Generally to the nearest safe country. Here's the top ten (thank you, Wikipedia).

1. Turkey
2. Pakistan
3. Lebanon
4. Iran
5. Bangladesh
6. Uganda
7. Ethiopia
8. Jordan
9. Germany
10. Democratic Republic of Congo

UK is 29th in the list.

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They may be the initial countries, but they are not the final desired destination. Eg They make it to Turkey, live there for a couple of years, have a home, jobs, etc, but still insist on risking their lives by attempting to cross by sea in a dinghy to Greece, to move to the West.

From 2015 UNHCR report about Syrians in Greece
Norwegian Refugee Council
And of course they've usually travelled hundreds or thousands of miles, all perfectly safely within their own country to begin with.

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Good news for virgin and other private companies, Bt shares will be dumped as investors panic and pull out.


BT remains the biggest faller in the FTSE 100.

It's fallen more than 5% now, down 10.16 to 192.44.

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I'm sure Tony Benn said the same about the British Car Industry in the 70's.....................................


Rather than giving choice, you want to give everyone vanilla broadband.

Typical Marxist/Communist, you'll have us all driving state manufactured Ladas/ Polski Fiats. Watching only a few state owned tv channels and radio, that show continual programmes about our dear Leader Father Corbyn.

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It will, whilst I disagree, I can understand the argument for Nationalisation of the rail, water and to a lesser extent power.

But the communications sector is not something that needs buggering about with. Communications are not like when the Post Office ran it. The speed of change and level of continual investment required would far outstrip anything a state owned vehicle could keep on top of, especially if they're giving it away for free.

It may have appeared to him as a great soundbite, but people will see it for what it is, pie in the sky election promises.

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Not sure how someone stating some services aren’t creating genuine competition makes them a Marxist/Communist - according to that logic, Adam Smith is a Marxist...

Or....

You could just be smearing someone?

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Yes they are!

They racked up the deficit considerably in the 13 years in power. Who else is to blame FFS?

They sold Gold reserves at rock bottom prices. Labour were a total economic mess, as they always are and always requires a Tory government to clean up their disgusting spending spree.

Just look at the disaster waiting to happen with Corbyn and McDonnell at the helm. Unions getting more power, there will be strikes galore, bankrupting companies being squeezed to pay their staff more and more.

They’re now promising handing out free broadband for every home in UK, that they would run and own the network. I would not use their freebie service if they paid me, talk about spying on everyone en masse. No thank you. But what about the cost to the internet industry itself, ISP firms could collapse, leading to significant job losses.

Labour is not the answer and never has been.

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Heres some research the government itself has published...

https://assets.publishing.service.go..._FE_Report.pdf

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Except it's not comparable with the car industry at all - the most obvious being that cars exist in a worldwide market. I can import a German car, a Japanese car, etc.

I can't import broadband from literally thousands of like for like comparable products. I can buy BT, or a BT wholesale product through a third party. I'm lucky enough to have Virgin as an option.

However there isn't enough competition in the market to drive prices down due to the high fixed costs of installing being a barrier to entry.

While I'm sure many in the telecommunications sector would rightly be terrified of their cushy jobs and massive profits coming under threat. However to the average household saving £300 to £600 a year and finding broadband through taxation would be beneficial.

The state is already having to massively subside areas that aren't "cost effective" anyway - might as well bring the profitable parts into the fold to benefit the taxpayer.

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It's just right wing propaganda because they know their time is coming. Tick tock.

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oh look, it's Hugh on his big white stallion coming to the aid of JFman, like he needs it lol.

Some one advocating to get rid of all competition and have a single state owned provider is Marxism in it's purest form.

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But killing the British car market by bringing in all the British car manufacturers into one single govt owned vehicle was fine was it?

So then nationalising Open reach, funding the national build of FTTP with tax money, then giving the service "free" to everyone. There-bye killing off Virgin Media and any other provider, is increasing competition is it? increasing choice? or is it stifling innovation and just ensuring that everyone has the same vanilla product with no chance of having any thing different?

You are some piece of work. Virgin Media engineers out in the street now in sub-zero temperatures fixing faults, cushy are they?

All 15,000 or so employees , the customer service reps on £15K a years revelling in an orgy of greed ?


Great let's destroy a sector make thousands of people unemployed, so JFman can save £600 a year while he plays himself watching his computer.

Definitely for the many.

Which bits of Virgin Media are the Govt subsiding?

Left wing lunacy, I really hope McDonnell has a few more ideas like this up his sleeve, he doing the Tory campaign the world of good.

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Save the insults that I'm a "piece of work". Your failure to understand economics is not my problem.

You are falling into the neo-liberal trap that competition is always the answer when it simply isn't. You've asked questions to distract the point - at no point did I claim Virgin Media were subsided - I said the parts of fibre rollout that aren't commercially viable are subsidised.

All to provide consumers limited choice which doesn't drive down prices. Killing off competition in this instance removes duplicate costs and delivers a more efficient outcome for the taxpayer.

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Some interesting local council results yesterday. LD gain 2 from Cons, and SNP gain 1 from Cons.

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Indeed some very interesting results which just makes this general election even more unpredictable and volatile then it already is.

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Tories going to get eliminated in Scotland at the GE. No Ruth running around with a Union Flag on the campaign any more. Just old, stake, grey, white men who don't care about Scotland's interests.

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Nor yours mine.

You've fell into the trap that Marxist state controlled entities is the answer, when the facts of over 150 years of evidence and nation case studies say otherwise.

Good luck in the future comrade.

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Will be on a par with Labour then.

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Heres two more interesting ones.

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The thing with council elections is that there is very low turnout, you cannot measure with any reasonable levy of accuracy of what the General Election results will show.

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l think what the results do suggest is that there will be a lot of tactical voting and volatility come election day.

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Yeah, I wouldn't read too much into council elections either. In my area, the local council is Liberal Democrat while the parliamentary constituency is turbo Conservative (Three Rivers Council vs South West Herts)

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The Lib Dems appear to always do well in local elections.

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Only as a protest vote.

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But wouldn’t that be the Will of the People, if Labour win the Election?

(btw, I think nationalisation of BT Openreach is a bad idea).

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No, I will campaign to have another peoples vote, just to make sure people knew what they were voting for, two can play that game. ;)

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Well that's why we have elections every few years, gives people chance to change their minds, makes politicians accountable. The problem with a certain other vote we've had is that there's no going back, it will affect us for decades and we didn't know what was on offer at the time of the vote.

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I have a feeling that many knew (or realised) the only way out was a full, no holds barred, bye bye we're off scenario (with a casual backward flip of the fingers as we slammed the door) ;) :D

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That's not what's currently on offer.

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No but it's much closer than what you want.

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The things these politicians say and do, just to get the vote, and once they have it, they'll think of a way to not carry it through. Don't trust any of them.

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'The Lesser Evil', not setting the bar high are we ? ;)

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I don't know, we haven't included Jo Swinson so it could be worse.

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I have a friend standing in our Constituency, and I’ve been active Conservative since the early 80’s (constituency officer, area officer, National YC officer, stood at both council and constituency level, worked in very many National and By-Elections, been a researcher for Heseltine and others), but I can’t vote Conservative in this election, because of language like that.

I served and actively worked against the Communist menace, and the Tory party should be elected in what it can do to benefit the country, not by using ‘reds under the bed" smear tactics.

The existential threat is the ex-communists (Putin et al) trying to weaken our country by using psy-ops tactics to spread fear against ‘Others’ and internal strife.

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Elections are different from referendums. You know that. The electorate have decided already and only some Remainers appear to be confused.

As for the choice in this ‘people’s vote’, where is the Brexit option that we voted for first time around?

It seems that too many people these days really do not believe in democracy. Shame on them.

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No. But exactly where lies Utopia?

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Good for you.

The further to the right they go, the further away from the electorate they go. One Nation Conservatives are deserting or being pushed out of the party. The type the floating voter might vote for. Neither party has grasped that most of the electorate are in the middle.

Fear of the opposition seems to be the Tories main selling point. It's an old record and they need a bit more than that.

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The Conservatives seem to be polling better on this forum! The dreaded consequences of voting in Marx brothers Jeremy Corbyn and John McDonnell must be getting through!

The free broadband policy seemed like a good wheeze until the consequences of that policy started to dawn on them. The press have been scathing about this and business is dismissive. What a rabble of a party they have become.

It's a shame really, because Labour does have some history to be proud of and good governence depends on having an effective opposition. Maybe the Lib Dems will grab that mantle. I certainly hope so, as the moderates in the Labour Party appear to have given up any thoughts of setting up their own centrist wing.

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Or Labour voters have tired of reading your posts, Old Boy.

Your broadband point is interesting though. We do certainly have forum members who work in the sector who will be driven away from Labour out of pure self-interest. Similarly those working in cartels in the energy sector will feel the same.

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I don’t think that a state owned broadband infrastructure amounts to Clause 4.

The best available/most efficient telecommunications infrastructure is a sole provider. Despite huge efforts to introduce competition the vast majority of the market is controlled by three or four companies.

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I think Labour voters are working it out without my assistance, jfman.

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Investment economics?

I'm completely unconcerned that what are fundamentally cartels would be broken up and assets returned to public ownership.

There's no genuine competition in these markets, only privatisation of the profits and nationalisation of the losses through subsidies.

All those brave capitalists can then go out there and invest in markets where there is genuine competition.

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Jfman, I don't know how old or young you are, but it seems to me that you have no memory of the days when our major industries were nationalised.

It was not good news.

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A majority of these companies are also foreign owned... it is a funny old country that we live in.

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Who cares? It's the level of service and pricing you should be concerned about.

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Poor management doesn’t equate to the underlying economics being flawed.

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When we’re being price gouged in the absence of competition and the profits and dividends are heading to other countries I think it’s a valid point to raise.

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The problem with your flawed way of thinking is that you can't seem to distinguish between your understanding of economics with reality. Nationalisation does not work, and you need to start studying economic history to understand that.

Jfman, I have lived through this. I have experienced the nationalised industries of the 1970s, the three day weeks, the high prices and the poor service. There was insufficient investment and this country was going down the plughole until Thatcher reversed this.

When privatiation came along, everything was transformed. Bright new trains, new cable companies coming in with their new ideas and cheaper prices. Those werre the days of optimism.

When our cable guy came round, we were only interested in reducing our phone costs. I had previously asked BT how much it would cost to install a new phone line for one of my daughters. I was quoted £130 and so I said no (much to the annoyance of my daughter). Shortly afterwards, I asked the cable guy how much it would cost and he said £30.

We then went on to add cable TV to our package!

This is just one little example of the changes that privatisation introduced to the population, and the numerous experiences of people who lived through this period explains the derision that you must be picking up from people like your good self who cannot fathom why most of us do not want to go back to those days.

Yes, private companies are not without fault and must be regulated, but privatisation is better by a country mile than nationalisation.

Let's not make these mistakes yet again.

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You can post as much subjective opinion as you like, Old Boy, it doesn't change reality.

You are also ignoring that underinvestment in nationalised industries (and battling the unions) is straight out of the neo-liberal playbook as precursors to privatisation. Those were political choices not the natural evolution of nationalised industry.

The fact that a cable operator installed a phone line subsidised at a fraction of the cost of a BT installation is a total red herring.

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My dear chap, I am introducing to you the reality of my experience. You can denigrate it as much as you like, but it is my experience and my views of all this at the time were the popular views. Neysayers such as Michael Foot were laughed out of court.

I am not ignoring the underinvestment in nationalised industries, and I am completely surprised that you haven't worked out, as our self appointed economist, that this is the very problem with nationalised industries - governments don't invest in them!! Additionally, an additional problem is that trade unions become unduly politicised and hold the government to ransom.

Jfman, you must surely be better than this. It is all pretty obvious really and you need to stop putting forwards opinions that appear to be designed to cripple this country.

If you really care about the people who live here and their well being, you need to stop promoting the failed policies of the 1970s, of which most of the younger generation has no knowledge.

The cable example I gave is just one example, to help explain my point. If you think that is my only example, think again.

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Your experience is simply your skewed perception of reality. That doesn't make it actual reality.

The "popular view" doesn't have any bearing on whether it's right or not. Many things can be used to steer public opinion in a certain direction for political/ideological expediency. I’m glad you’ve accepted under-investment in industry was a political choice.

I will take no lessons from you on what policies I should promote here or elsewhere. Especially in the field of economics.

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Mr K doesn’t agree ;)
https://www.cableforum.uk/board/show...&postcount=330

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Ah, bless! Yes, our visions of reality. Which, being reality, happened at the time!

My reality is not skewed. I lived it, you did not, and you think you know different. Please let's forget we have ever learned anything from experience. Unfortunately, guys like you prefer the fake news.

On this forum, are we not better than that?

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Interesting to note that on the BBC News tonight, even the BBC thought that it was not worth more than the third item on the headlines of the manifesto commitments of Labour's Conference today.

!!!!

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Mr K (seems to be a possible connection to 'Kremlin', but could be coincidence!)

The fact is, we got nice new trains with privatisation, although I do acknowledge that some areas in the north did not benefit from that.

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I do look forward to Sunday mornings to find your middle of the night ramblings. Interesting that your entire basis was "you lived it". As did millions of other people. Some of them extremely bright, some of them less so. Some with the knowledge to fully understand what was going on, some less so. Ian Brady and Myra Hindley were also around then. I'd not really take their views on macroeconomic policy seriously either.

I don’t really think economics is fake news to be honest. Your regular opinion pieces straight from Conservative Party HQ on the other hand...

Moving swiftly on it looks like the pole dancer isn’t happy
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...ne-night-stand

Re: Election 2019 - Week 2
 

That's without mentioning the lack of investment in certain utilities infrastructure and the horrific levels of debt being loaded on those companies by their foreign owners, you can see what's coming, privatised profits and nationalised debt. It's funny that some of the most anti EU among us are quite happy to be subsudising French consumers electricity bills and German water bills for example, I'm not.

Funny isn't it how those advocating Maggie's privatisation giveaway forget the major sell offs occured toward the end of regime ie after the strikes stopped...

Your reality is skewed, you lived it, it's in the past, this isn't the1970's, our union and strike laws are among the strictest in the World to ensure a return to those days is next to impossible as the posties found out the other day

Re: Election 2019 - Week 2
 

Untill Comrade Corbyn has the laws changed.

As a veteran i for one will not be voting for Labour due to Comrade Corbyn's association with the IRA. It's that simple