Originally Posted by scastle

What? You don't have ADSL in Wales? Quick. Somebody tell Russ, his Pipex connection can't be working as the underlying technology it requires is not there..

Seriously. Unless you live in a remote area of Wales that doesn't have ADSL, then you have as much competition there as we do in England. The only difference is there are two cable companies in England. But, each has there own area (for instance, I live in an NTL cable area and cannot have Telewest). True, NTL ADSL is available in Telewest areas, but NTL cable isn't.

With ADSL, however, you DO have alternate ISPs.



Please do not assume that just because somebody does not have the same amount of downloads as you that they don't do anything. I've been using the 'Net (and WWW) since '94 (so I am an experienced user). I do all the stuff that people use as an excuse for breaking the 1G a day download limit like streaming, downloading game demos, OS (Windows XP, 2003, Mac OSX and Linux) patches and service packs, driver updates, antivirus updates and firewall updates, linux distros, xbox live. I sometimes even use VPN and Remote Desktop to connect to my machines at work. There is also one other user in my house. I rarely go through the 1 Gig cap though.

Just because you CAN download 24/7 doesn't mean you have to. Now, I am not saying what you should (or shouldn't) download - that's not my place. Nor is it NTL's unless it violates the Acceptable Usage Policy or Terms & Conditions of their service. The Cap HAS been in their AUP for several years now, so by continued use of the service, you have agreed to it (regardless of wether it was in force at the time you signed up)

Regarding my opinion of the cap? I have argued for the cap in the past (I can see the need for it, but I can also see that it could be a pain), but have stated that IF the cap becomes a problem, I will leave NTL. You are probably free to do the same.

Originally Posted by jonifen

I've read the majority of this thread (it gets boring in work sometimes :rolleyes: ) and I'll continue to stand by my thoughts...
1Gb is a little harsh for people who share their connection to other PCs in the same house. 2Gb is much better and something you could surely only break by getting linux distros and things of an "illegal nature".

Originally Posted by zinglebarb

so saying running costs per customer per month is say £10 (plucked out of the ether lol ) a 3 meg customer downloading 30 gig at 52p per gig = £15.60 thats £12 possible profit per customer per month,Ukonline are offering 8 meg with 500 gig limit starting in my town by end of this month ,bye bye ntl me thinks even if i get a drop off cuz of distance im still onto a winner woohoo lol lol.

Ive seen a lot about abusers and breaking the law etc I just hope that everyone who has the opinion of piracy (which is what we are talking about abusers downloading going over the cap) has never watched a copied dvd,or bought bootleg vodka or beer or bootleg tobacco of copied a cd off a friend or installed xp pro from dubious sources, the list is endless,Im sure theres very few on here who are totaly clean and innocent :D

Originally Posted by scastle

I could be wrong, but I *think* you have to sign an 18 month contract for business.

Originally Posted by 0 morgan 0

I didnt say i couldnt get ADSL, like i said bulldog offer 2mb for £2 more than NTL. Firstly I dont like ADSL over Cable and secondly i dont consider paying £2 more for the same service Competition.
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Originally Posted by monkeybreath

It is not the same service- bulldog is not capped, so this is not a direct comparison.

Originally Posted by purenuman

NTL 2mb has no cap either :rolleyes:

Only 1mb will be hard capped later this year.......

Originally Posted by purenuman

NTL 2mb has no cap either :rolleyes:

Only 1mb will be hard capped later this year.......

Originally Posted by cookie_365

??

My understanding was that there is a 1GB a day 'usage policy' on 2 Meg, only NTL will only take action if you exceed it and it effects other users. But they still can if you do and it does. Can't be mithered to post a link to the terms & conditions ... ;)

Originally Posted by Millay

Im a heavy user, id be more than happy to pay a premium, for a more realistic cap level.... I certinaly dont think its fairof us to sit here and moan about it, if we want something you have to pay for it, bandwith costs money..

Originally Posted by jonifen

1Mb has a 3Gb a month download limit
2Mb has a 1Gb a day download limit
3Mb has a 1Gb a day download limit

AFAIA, no connection is intended on being a forced cap in the near future. I think NTL's reason for that is because they would lose a lot of customers having their connection speed capped (or even stopped!) when they reach the limit.

Originally Posted by Avatar

Running TS2 server and web servers, with some gaming on top and a few downloads ive broken a gig, and this is not by mass downloading warez or any such crap. whats the point in 1Mb lines when there is a bw cap?

Originally Posted by chickendippers

Running web and game servers is not what I'd call "normal usage" (and obviously not what ntl call it either).

Originally Posted by mrlipring

And what about hosting a game server on xbox live? That's definitely supported by NTL, and is therefore normal usage.