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nidave 03-07-2004 12:49
Re: 1Mbit price reduction
 
I dont want to sound nasty to everyone but why do people constantly moan when things change in thier favour.

If people are not ahppy why do they stick with the comapny. We have a choice of BB Providers, TV providers and Phone providers. Find one that you like and go with it.
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People always moan about big companies and how thay are always having problems with them. If I had as many problems as alot of you seem yo have with ntl I would be rid of them im a flash - Same with my mobile o2 - they ****ed me about loads of time - forgot to send bills, cut me off etc.. so I left them and let them know why.

I like ntl, they have everything I want from TV, Phone and BB at a price I dont mind paying.

I have had a few problems, but they have been sorted quickly and efficiently.

I know people on here are passionate about these things and if people are having problems thats fine to tell the forum but remember its your persoanl experance.

Im not a big contrubitor to the forum I ike reading the forms as I like to hear things before alot of other people, but bitching for bitching sake is painfull to read. again this is my personal opinion and I have the option not to read and go somewere else.

Paul 03-07-2004 12:52
Re: 1Mbit price reduction
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chrysalis
I wont deny the proxies seem to have improved somewhat recently you are not wrong there, but I would expect the users on 150kbit upgrading to 300kbit will hit ntl harder then the top tier upgrade as they have so much more user's on the bottom package, maybe thats what it really is causing the delay.
Indeed, there are a lot of upgrades to get things ready - and I'm sure Leicester will benefit from these upgrades. ;)

IanGuy 03-07-2004 13:35
Re: 1Mbit price reduction
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chrysalis
I wont deny the proxies seem to have improved somewhat recently you are not wrong there, but I would expect the users on 150kbit upgrading to 300kbit will hit ntl harder then the top tier upgrade as they have so much more user's on the bottom package, maybe thats what it really is causing the delay.
That is an interesting point, we know new UBRs etc are being made due to 300k expected to be very popular. But I still think the 1mb to 1.5mb upgrade is the main problem here, it's taking NTL time and money to replace boxes.

arcamalpha2004 03-07-2004 14:27
Re: 1Mbit price reduction
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nidave
I dont want to sound nasty to everyone but why do people constantly moan when things change in thier favour.

If people are not ahppy why do they stick with the comapny. We have a choice of BB Providers, TV providers and Phone providers. Find one that you like and go with it.
'
People always moan about big companies and how thay are always having problems with them. If I had as many problems as alot of you seem yo have with ntl I would be rid of them im a flash - Same with my mobile o2 - they ****ed me about loads of time - forgot to send bills, cut me off etc.. so I left them and let them know why.

I like ntl, they have everything I want from TV, Phone and BB at a price I dont mind paying.

I have had a few problems, but they have been sorted quickly and efficiently.

I know people on here are passionate about these things and if people are having problems thats fine to tell the forum but remember its your persoanl experance.

Im not a big contrubitor to the forum I ike reading the forms as I like to hear things before alot of other people, but bitching for bitching sake is painfull to read. again this is my personal opinion and I have the option not to read and go somewere else.



Who is bitching Dave? tell me?
Why do we not have a forum then where every thread is about how brilliant NTL are? will that please you?
A forum is for a mixture of opinion, I don't call it " BITCHING" because NTL have boll67ed my phone line, I call it incompetent, and if I want to moan about it, given that I furnish their bloody bankrupt coffers with money each month I think I am entitled.
What I would like, is for the top brass of NTL to get their act together and sort out the gross incompetence that goes on in their company at times.
If a time comes that I find another provider I will leave NTL, but it does'nt mean that I and others are not allowed to " Bitch" as you put it.

Earwig 03-07-2004 15:53
Re: 1Mbit price reduction
 
Somebody mentioned earlier about transparent proxies being important to some?? Can somebody please explain to me what these are?

I belong to a torrent site that has a ratio system ...IE: you give back what you share.

Last night there seemed to be a problem with NTL users in that there were other users all on the same I.P and I think it was mentioned soemthing about NTL using these "Transparent Proxies" I could be wrong though.

The problem is that we all have individual accounts but alot are using the same I.P (I have 16 People on mine for example) This means that people can download things which may get stuck onto my account even though I have nothing to do with it.

This is the first time it has happened so must have been somehting that happend friday evening sometime??

Some people have had 4-5 FULL DVD-R downloaded on their accounts and with a pathetic 30KB/s upload this is alot to "Share" back....especially when you haven't even downloaded the damn things!!

The site coders are desparatly trying to sort the problem and have a couple of quick fixes at the moment but I was just wondering why now and what the hell it is all about?


P.S sorry to go off topic but I saw it mentioned and thought I would ask.

Tnx in advance

paulyoung666 03-07-2004 16:21
Re: 1Mbit price reduction
 
sorry for coming into this thread late , i upgraded over the phone to 1mb the other day and i was quoted £34.99 / month for it , a mistake on their part or what :confused: :( :erm:

Shaun 03-07-2004 18:43
Re: 1Mbit price reduction
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by dezzo
Well with Ntl it would cost them £9.50 but a suprisingly large number of people have broadband only and a mobile for all phonecalls.


I don't know about the experiences you or others have had but I've not had any problems with wrong DD amounts being taken from my Ntl account. Thats also what the DD guarantee is there for.
Its not the fact that you cant get your money back, I know all about the DD guarantee (I used to work for a bank) and I've had to use it on several occasions with Ntl, but its still a hassle to have to go down to the branch and show them that they have taken the wrong amount. :rolleyes:

As for people having mobile for calls then thats their prerogative, but I'd bet they are in the minority, most people I know have a home phone, therefore they will have to pay for it whether they are with NTL or BT!

Quote:
Originally Posted by orangebird
Who is that with?
www.call18866.co.uk

:)

Edit - call 18866 is also available to Ntl customers now too ;)

Sorry to take this off topic again, but I find it really strange that I can now call a mobile in the USA for 1p per min but a weekday call to one here is 10p :disturbd:

hjf288 04-07-2004 01:10
Re: 1Mbit price reduction
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Earwig
Somebody mentioned earlier about transparent proxies being important to some?? Can somebody please explain to me what these are?

I belong to a torrent site that has a ratio system ...IE: you give back what you share.

Last night there seemed to be a problem with NTL users in that there were other users all on the same I.P and I think it was mentioned soemthing about NTL using these "Transparent Proxies" I could be wrong though.

The problem is that we all have individual accounts but alot are using the same I.P (I have 16 People on mine for example) This means that people can download things which may get stuck onto my account even though I have nothing to do with it.

This is the first time it has happened so must have been somehting that happend friday evening sometime??

Some people have had 4-5 FULL DVD-R downloaded on their accounts and with a pathetic 30KB/s upload this is alot to "Share" back....especially when you haven't even downloaded the damn things!!

The site coders are desparatly trying to sort the problem and have a couple of quick fixes at the moment but I was just wondering why now and what the hell it is all about?


P.S sorry to go off topic but I saw it mentioned and thought I would ask.

Tnx in advance
These sites can easily discover the TRUE ip of the user that is visiting, but they are lazy and cant be bothered... you pirate stuff (sorry if I assume wrong) but you get your just desserts.
If they coded a decent proxy/true ip detector then it wouldnt matter... unless it was a anonymous proxy which NTLs arent...

Smilie 04-07-2004 01:22
Re: 1Mbit price reduction
 
any1 have any idea when NTL will apply the price cut???

Earwig 04-07-2004 02:11
Re: 1Mbit price reduction
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by hjf288
These sites can easily discover the TRUE ip of the user that is visiting, but they are lazy and cant be bothered... you pirate stuff (sorry if I assume wrong) but you get your just desserts.
If they coded a decent proxy/true ip detector then it wouldnt matter... unless it was a anonymous proxy which NTLs arent...
In other words you have no idea about an answer to my question??

And they are not lazy, they are the best there is. It is the most sought after torrent site anywhere and have the best coders there are. Already they have fixed the problem temporarily, within 1 day. It is only effectin NTL users which cannot account for many of the 80,000 capped userbase so how can you call them lazy when they put themselves out for maybe 2% of peeps??

Chrysalis 04-07-2004 10:18
Re: 1Mbit price reduction
 
Earwig hjf288 is right the ntl proxies are not anonymous and its possible to get the user's real ip from the info sent to the server.

badnbusy 04-07-2004 10:55
Re: 1Mbit price reduction
 
It is a few lines of PHP code to get your REAL IP, regardless of a transparent proxy.

PHP Code:
<?php
if ($HTTP_SERVER_VARS["HTTP_X_FORWARDED_FOR"] != ""){ // is the user on a proxy?
       $IP = $HTTP_SERVER_VARS["HTTP_X_FORWARDED_FOR"]; // grab his IP
       $proxy = $HTTP_SERVER_VARS["REMOTE_ADDR"]; // grab his proxy
       $proxyhost = @gethostbyaddr($HTTP_SERVER_VARS["REMOTE_ADDR"]); // grab the proxy host
       $host = @gethostbyaddr($HTTP_SERVER_VARS["HTTP_X_FORWARDED_FOR"]); // grab the hostname
 }
else
 {
       $IP = $HTTP_SERVER_VARS["REMOTE_ADDR"]; // user isn't on a proxy, grab his IP
       $host = @gethostbyaddr($HTTP_SERVER_VARS["REMOTE_ADDR"]); // grab hostname
  }
?>
Example: www.dslzoneuk.net/ip_checker.php

:)

Russ 04-07-2004 12:01
Re: 1Mbit price reduction
 
Any chance we could keep this thread ON topic?

Stop It 04-07-2004 12:19
Re: 1Mbit price reduction
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Earwig
In other words you have no idea about an answer to my question??

And they are not lazy, they are the best there is. It is the most sought after torrent site anywhere and have the best coders there are. Already they have fixed the problem temporarily, within 1 day. It is only effectin NTL users which cannot account for many of the 80,000 capped userbase so how can you call them lazy when they put themselves out for maybe 2% of peeps??
Hang on, torrent sites Use Bit Torrent clients (or Clients based on it) to download files, these all can find your IP, i honestly dont see how/why you have a problem, unless if its not actually a Torrent site.... And anyway, finding your IP after a transparant cache is literally a few lines of code, similar to finding your IP through a normal cache, yet again, dont see how this can be so difficult to sort.

EDIT For Russ D : Ok I'll send us back on topic as well then, It's good to see that NTL are thinking of reducing price, before anyone gets thier hopes up, they still might not, But yet again, if a price cut is going to have a detrimental effect on serviices, Im not for it, if they can handle a price cut without a problem, then It raises the question of why they increased it in the first place....

Russ 04-07-2004 12:22
Re: 1Mbit price reduction
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Stop It
Hang on, torrent sites Use Bit Torrent clients (or Clients based on it) to download files, these all can find your IP, i honestly dont see how/why you have a problem, unless if its not actually a Torrent site.... And anyway, finding your IP after a transparant cache is literally a few lines of code, similar to finding your IP through a normal cache, yet again, dont see how this can be so difficult to sort.
*ahem*

Quote:
Originally Posted by Me
Any chance we could keep this thread ON topic?


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