Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35214140)

How do you know these gangmembers are immigrants?

Do you ask to see their passports? If not how do you know for sure?

Or do they just.....look like immigrants?

Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35214156)

I did ask the same question and as yet haven't had an answer

Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35214140)

How do you know these gangmembers are immigrants?

Do you ask to see their passports? If not how do you know for sure?

Or do they just.....look like immigrants?

Originally Posted by Chrysalis (Post 35214158)

I think the myth is that the claim is the majority of claimants or at least a large portion of them are only playing the system, something that has no proof whatsoever.

Originally Posted by Gary L (Post 35214166)

are they immigrants?

Originally Posted by Gary L (Post 35214166)

Have you ever seen them people running in all directions at Dover?

are they immigrants?

Originally Posted by Russ (Post 35214169)

At Dover, where I assume the majority of immigrants enter the country, it's a pretty safe bet say that they could be,

Originally Posted by Chris (Post 35214113)

I think a researched and sourced article requires more than an eight-word rebuttal.

Originally Posted by Gary L (Post 35214180)

Well they made it to Hounslow :p:

Originally Posted by Hugh (Post 35214187)

Arthur's an immigrant?,

That would explain his poor command of the English language, and the frequent spelling mistakes and incomprehensible sentence structure.

It's all becoming very clear now - he is disguising his antecedents by adopting the persona of a typical EDL anti-immigration poster....:D

Originally Posted by the_neurotic_cat (Post 35214183)

:D OK, is this verbose enough for ya ...


What are Ed Howker’s criteria for ‘ghetto’? The word implies that there is a segregated group living within the 134 (designated ‘Lower Super Output’) areas. The criteria that I assume he’s using are related to those who live on welfare benefits, which is a false qualifier due to that not being a criteria needed to be living in the area referenced by Ed Howker. The very concept of a ‘welfare ghetto’ doesn’t withstand argumentative analysis. But that’s semantics. Not important for this thread but would be for a self-respecting journalist.

In order to receive benefits such as jobseeker’s allowance you have to look for work or you do not receive it, that is ‘promoting a return to work’. If someone is receiving DLA and IS they have been deemed to be unfit for work by a doctor and that benefit is means tested. You can’t just get it by applying for it.

The bailiff that Ed Howker meets in the Falinge cafe claims to know a lot of personal information about the residents of this estate, this is hardly what I’d call ‘researched’ information. It’s entirely anecdotal. I seriously doubt that this bailiff actually knew what he was talking about considering the scope of personal information he was telling Ed Howker. Not the kind of information a bailiff would have on his targets. The unnamed bailiff continues to paint a caricature of the benefit recipients on the estate which is what this thread is reiterating. The bailiff that Ed Howker is interviewing even states that “People make judgements about you if you’re a resident� which is exactly what he’s doing himself, so that’s a true statement. If the bailiff knew of any welfare fraud that was being commited he should report it. It is an unsubstantiated caricature so my previous comment stands.

As for the statistical information included in the article, it doesn’t address the causes of welfare dependency for the referenced Lower Super Output Areas. Ed Howker does though, he writes about how there had been investment in the area and despite that investment the residents don’t have adequate access to local jobs due to the previous employers leaving the area and moving to other parts of the country. This information also supports my assertion that masses of people living on welfare isn’t due to some kind of lifestyle preference.

You can’t bully and stigmatize people into work when it isn’t there to take just like you can’t force employers to hire someone they don’t like. Employment is a two way thing, not simply down to the applicant.

Originally Posted by Gary L (Post 35214192)

I know. you'd never guess I was black, would you?

Originally Posted by Chrysalis (Post 35214154)

so ignition you think someone living on welfare creates more of a ghetto than someone on the streets?

Originally Posted by martyh (Post 35214195)

I work in welfare ghetto's every day so don't tell me they don't exist or they are a myth .I clearly see examples of estates where non-working and working resdents are segregated and have a clear difference in the standard of housing/living

Originally Posted by the_neurotic_cat (Post 35214183)

In order to receive benefits such as jobseeker’s allowance you have to look for work or you do not receive it, that is ‘promoting a return to work’. If someone is receiving DLA and IS they have been deemed to be unfit for work by a doctor and that benefit is means tested. You can’t just get it by applying for it.