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Is the NHS in Wales not run by Wales?

It makes me laugh the Labour keep saying the NHS is safe in their hands when, demonstrably, the Welsh NHS is a much worse performer than NHS England, run by the Conservatives.

The last time NHS England was run by Labour, patients were drinking out of vases due to the lack of attention paid to them, and instead of rectifying the problem, Andy Burnham tried to cover it up.

Sorry, but the NHS is definitely not safe in Labour hands, and before you come out with your usual statement, it is not up for sale under the Conservatives. Corbyn keeps saying it although there is no basis in fact for it and both Boris and Trump have confirmed that this is not the case. Just another stab at 'weaponising' the NHS.

The sooner we enable NHS hospitals and health centres to be self-governing, the better. Encourage private treatment instead of frowning on it, to reduce waiting lists for those who cannot afford it and thereby bring more money into NHS coffers.

All this politicking is ridiculous. We just want a well-run NHS that works for people. It is currently broken and needs reform.

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"All this politicking is ridiculous"

Tories don't want to discuss the NHS, don't want to discuss Grenfell...

All they do want to talk about is Union Flag waving nationalism.

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Quite the irony of it....

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Funny, I could’ve sworn Boris went to the CBI yesterday and told them he was cancelling their business tax cut to spend the money on the NHS.

I guess we all just see what we want to see.

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But he's got that extra £350m week to spend on the NHS... He wrote in on a bus, and he doesn't tell porky pies..... (well apart from the businesses he promised a tax cut to and a few other hundred things)

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Theresa May allocated that to the NHS during her term, remember?

The NHS is an inefficient black hole and needs to be completely revamped, using modern computer systems rather than people wheeling trollies around stacked with files.

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It is ridiculous. Every move made to reform the NHS is negated by politicians who deem it to be an 'attack' on the NHS. One thing Labour have achieved is the weaponisation of the NHS. Who benefits from that?

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Have we not been there before and boy oh boy what a unmitigated disaster it turned out to be....

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-24130684

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You mean the figure that should now be £384 Million week? :rolleyes:

Whether it is over £350 Million a week or £100 a week, paying to be a member of this con job and corrupt union, should hopefully soon come to an end.

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That's a statement. Not a discussion. ;)

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On the contrary. It negates the statement you made about 'Tories not wishing to discuss the NHS'. You are making this stuff up and you should not be allowed to get away with it.

Boris will certainly be speaking about the NHS tonight on TV.

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Old Boy, my statement was made against you. Not the Prime Minister. You are saying we should play "politics" with a cradle to grave health service, and the largest employer in the country and the fifth largest employer in the world.

If there's something that should be "politicked" it is that. The provision of free at the point of use healthcare to 60 million people, every single one of Her Majesty's subjects in these lands. It's a very short list of things more important than that, given our aging population and changing demographics over time.

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You are totally confused about my position on this. I have categorically stated that politics should be taken out of it and the NHS managed as a service, not a political tool.

Yes, everyone entitled to residency in this country should have access to health care free at the point of delivery. Who begs to differ? You make arguments out of a vacuum.

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You are kidding yourself on if you think you can remove politics. Who funds it and from where?

That's a political choice. On one side of the divide are people like you who want to roll back the state and privatise everything with the profits taken to other countries.

On the other side is people like me who say taxation.

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Sky YouGov snap poll - Who won the ITV Debate...

Johnson 51%
Corbyn 49%

I personally feel those who didn't watch it, won, truly awful format, the U.S does so much better at this.

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It wasn’t great.

No one learned anything new.

However Corbyn’s inability in the first 20mins to answer 1. His position on Brexit, 2, His position on the Union and 3. His position on a 2nd Scottish Indy ref was quite damning.

He never really got over it, and as a result failed to really land any knockout blows to Johnson who was there for the taking on a few issues.

I don’t think anyone came out a clear winner.

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A statistical tie for Marxism versus the evils of capitalism. I can't wait for the actual election.

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However nothing. You can put any spin you like but essentially half the people watching didn't like your man.

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Duh......

I believe that is what I said.

And I garnished it with my opinion/ commentary on it, which I am entitled to do.

You’re just just upset your pin up comrade didn’t boss it.

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Fortunately I was in a meeting so missed it. I won't be troubling ITV Player for it based on what everyone's saying! Most interesting aspect is both politicians scored almost equally. I would have guessed a 60-40 in favour of Boris, though obviously I did not see the programme.

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That's very true Mick, Wales 2 Hungary 0 on S4C :)

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I'm not upset at all. A statistical tie looks good against recent polls. Plus we have Arron Banks leaks to come...

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Germany 6-1 against the occupied territories. A sample of Boris and his deal. Getting their dinner served by Deutschland.

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You’re being a bit of a Richard now...

(speaking as someone of Irish Catholic lineage)

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Now?

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Sorry, was watching the game in an Irish pub in Berlin. (I’m not making that up.)

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This is of dubious ethics as it undermines the fact-checking services that do a great job.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-50482637

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Perhaps that poll should be seen as Boris vs "not Boris" one. IE "Not Boris" includes Lib Dems, Greens, SNP etc. They would vote "not Boris" even if that meant voting for Stalin.

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You live in your own little world, jfman. Living is easy with eyes closed, misunderstanding all you see....(with apologies...)

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The poll was not about voting intentions, it was about who won the debate.

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The one in the Europa Centre?

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They've probably been getting top tips from their Russian friends.

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The Kilkenny near Alexanderplatz?

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Precisely. Those that are planning to vote Lib Dem, Green, SNP etc, will have supported whoever wasn't Boris. When the election comes around they might vote for the individual parties, thereby dropping Corbyn's 49% support in that poll. Let's face it, there are many in the "not Boris" group who would have said that Corbyn "won" the debate simply because he's "not Boris". It's not really an impartial assessment.

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Just realised it can't be the same one I went to, as it shut down in the early 80s, when a new bigger one opened in 82 in the Europa Centre.

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Election debate: Corbyn won clear victory against Boris Johnson among undecided voters, poll shows

Undecided voters gave Jeremy Corbyn a 59-41 per cent lead over Boris Johnson as best performer in last night’s ITV general election leaders’ debate, according to details of YouGov polling.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a9210571.html

just goes to show you polls showing different things about debate

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Still torn between abstaining and voting Tory.

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both will ruin country both not fit to run a bath never mind the country

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Thats a understatement....

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It was indeed. :)

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Monster Raving Loony Party gets my vote...

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Spot on. Both stand to flush the country's economy down the plughole with their magic moneytree policies.

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