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I'm going to publish a genuine picture of Piers Morgan having intimate relations with a goat. It is up to him to prove it is fake or not.
:D

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Originally Posted by Tezcatlipoca

V interesting. Where did you hear that?

now true :tu:

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Originally Posted by Richard M

http://news.google.co.uk/url?ntc=5M0...ws/3713857.stm

Do they pay you to promote google as well :D

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Originally Posted by Damien

Do they pay you to promote google as well :D

google is your friend , dont ever forget it :D :D :D

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Speaking of the Press & all the abuse stories.......

I bought the latest Private Eye today. Excellent as usual.

The 1st inside page has a bit about The Sun & their treatment of the whole abuse thing....

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Originally Posted by (C) Private Eye, no1106, 14 May - 27 May 2004

The Sun pulled no punches in its condemnation of the Mirror for printing dubious photos which supposedly show the abuse of Iraqi prisoners.

(snip)

The Sun was rather less sensitive about its own front page story of May 2003, when a soldier from the Royal Regiment of Fusiliers was arrested after trying to develop photographs of colleagues stringing up Iraqi PoWs from a fork-lift truck & forcing them to simulate sex acts. Unable to print the photos themselves - they had been confiscated by the police - the Sun commissioned a vivid set of "artist's impressions" which it spalshed across three pages while warning readers that this was just the beginning of a "hornet's nest of horror" which was waiting to emerge.

The rest of the national press followed up on this abuse story, plus the MOD confirmed that it was going to investigate the abuse.

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Originally Posted by (C) Private Eye, no1106, 14 May - 27 May 2004

When the news emerged this week that a number of the regiment's members are to be prosecuted over the incident, the Sun dealt with this belated confirmation of its scoop by, er, ignoring it completely & devoting its front page instead to an editorial "saluting a nation's heroes".

Of course, the Eye does not spare the Mirror either. One example: There is an interesting bit which points out how last May, in contrast to the current Mirror opinion/excuse (that abuse by British troops is happening, so even if the photos were fake they have helped bring the abuse to light), the Daily Mirror ran to the defence of Lt Col Tim Collins & declared that any allegations of abuse of Iraqis by British troops must be "total rubbish". [interesting side point: The Sunday Mirror did not seem to care for Collins, though, as last year it ran a "fabricated story about him [Collins] allowing his troops to open fire on surrendering Iraqis". Collins sued the Mirror Group & won significant damages].

Couple of recent stories mentioning the alleged abuse by members of the Royal Regiment of Fusiliers:

http://www.channel4.com/news/2004/05...1/01_iraq.html

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Originally Posted by C4 News

....the RMP Special Investigations Branch has probed a case in which soldiers photographed the alleged torture of Iraqi PoWs left suspended in netting from a forklift truck.

Soldiers from the Royal Regiment of Fusiliers have been questioned following the discovery of the images, in which PoWs were gagged and bound.

It is understood photographic developers initially called police last May after they became concerned about a number of pictures on a roll of film which had been handed into their shop for processing.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/...n.abuse.blair/

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Originally Posted by CNN

[MOD spokesman] dismissed as "speculation" a story in the Sunday Times that troops from the Royal Regiment of Fusiliers would face charges relating to the sexual abuse of Iraqi prisoners.

"The Royal Military police have completed their investigation and forwarded their recommendations to the Army prosecuting authority," the defense spokesman said. "So the case is currently with them, and they will decide whether or not charges will be brought."

The Sunday Times reported that military police recommended the prosecution of three soldiers following a year-long investigation of photos appearing to show Iraqi prisoners in British custody being forced to engage in homosexual acts.

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Originally Posted by Damien

I saw that on BBC news it is on the breaking news bar story coming soon

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/3716151.stm

LOL, :waving: Bye bye, Piers! :D

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Originally Posted by Damien

shame it happened today we will have to wait until next friday before we see Ian Hislops reaction on Have i got news for you :)

I can't wait! Heh, Hislop will love this.

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Now if only they could bring chages against him :)

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Originally Posted by Xaccers

Now if only they could bring chages against him :)

They should he's put British life's at risk plus put down the British rep abroad without any proof

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he was an utter idiot for payin' out for photos that doesn't seem to have been verified properly. The Army seems to straight away recognise that the equipments weren't used in Iraq. I am glad Piers Morgan lost his job. Let hope no one is mug enough to employ him.

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Originally Posted by TigaSefi

Come off it, any tom dick or harry in the highstreet could see that there was something not quite right with them and they definitely needed serious investigation before parting with money let alone publishing them!

Idiot doesn't come close

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Originally Posted by Xaccers

Correct I think I was the first on here to make a remark about them on the day they came out on this thread. I stated then there was something wrong with them. The Mirror however well nuff said there

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I would use stronger words but unfortunately it'll all get STARRED out :D

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I think the mirror should hand out a out some moneys in good will to the soldiers families that lost the sons/daughters to at least try and make up for this. Not that they can

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I think they should just can the paper and **** off.

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Originally Posted by Defiant

I think the mirror should hand out a out some moneys in good will to the soldiers families that lost the sons/daughters to at least try and make up for this. Not that they can

sorry , they can never apologise enough for this , disgusting , gutter press is not a strong enough term :td: :mad: :td: :mad: :td:

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For a newspaper trying to claim the moral high ground on the war in iraq i think that this is a stupid thing to do and will smear the name of the mirror for months

"Daily Mirror" editor sacked over hoax photos

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politi...1.stm]BBC NewsDaily Mirror editor Piers Morgan has been sacked after the newspaper conceded photos of British soldiers abusing an Iraqi were fake.

In a statement the Mirror said it had fallen victim to a "calculated and malicious hoax" and that it would be "inappropriate" for Morgan to continue.

The Queen's Lancashire Regiment (QLR) said the Mirror had endangered British troops by running the pictures.

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At a news conference in Preston on Friday afternoon, the regiment demonstrated to reporters aspects of uniform and equipment which it said proved the photographs were fake.

The regiment's Brigadier Geoff Sheldon said the vehicle featured in the photographs had been located in a Territorial Army base in Lancashire and had never been in Iraq.

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The photos published in the Mirror on 1 May appeared to show British troops torturing an Iraqi detainee.

In one picture a soldier is seen urinating on a hooded man while in another the hooded man is being hit with a rifle in the groin.

Colonel Black, a former regiment commander of the QLR, said the pictures put lives in danger and acted as a "recruiting poster" for al-Qaeda.

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And now for the creeping http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/allnews...name_page.html

I'd never buy that paper again

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Originally Posted by Defiant

And now for the creeping http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/allnews...name_page.html

I'd never buy that paper again

You mean you've bought it before? Why on earth would anyone want to even before the Iraq war started? :pp

What interests me the most is them saying they will co-operate fully with any investigation, so does that mean giving the names of who gave the photos?
And I don't know about you guys, but I seriously don't buy this "we're victims of a hoax" line either. There's no way they could have published those photos without some doubt of their genuiness.

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So Morgan finally took a liberty too far. And they didn't even get him to resign. Sacked, just like that.

And so they should. All you have to do is compare and contrast the American abuse photos with the ones published by the Mirror to see which were real, amateur photos of genuine abuse and which were carefully set up and posed with nice clean props.

And, finally, I am so, so glad that the Mirror insisted that any other news organisation showing the photos had to use copies with the Mirror logo in the corner. Just so we never forget which arrogant idiots are responsible for the mortal danger our army is now in. :(

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Originally Posted by towny

ust so we never forget which arrogant idiots are responsible for the mortal danger our army is now in. :(

speaking of danger........

breaking news:

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British troops have fought off three ambushes in southern Iraq, leaving 16 insurgents dead, the UK military says.
Two soldiers were hurt but their wounds were not described as life threatening.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3716491.stm

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I have never bought the mirror and never will.

I did warn you all

before i post this i would like to say that i did post that we should be cautious about any allegations.....ofcourse everyone said the unthinkable could not happen....

4 british soldiers are to go up against court martial for actual civilian detention abuses in Iraq, one 18 year old solider was caught developing camera photos at a shop where staff alerted authorties of what they found.

a further 7 cases of abuse are under investigation looking likely for action to be brought against people, another 74 cases are also under review.

source:ITV.com

http://www.itv.com/news/1298990.html

further link:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/3806349.stm

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If found guilty, they should be punished appropriately

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One of them at least should be slapped just for being monumentally stupid enough to get the photo's developed in a shop....plank.

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Ah, so they're actually going ahead with it.

Post from May mentioning the original story of the abuse photos being taken for developing:

http://www.cableforum.co.uk/board/sh...&postcount=206

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before reading this link i would just like to say some people may find bits of this offensive or distressing, if you are easily offended or distressed do not read this link:

http://newstandardnews.net/content/?...tem&itemid=800

this link shows evidence and european news reports on the abuse of youngsters some of which are teens, it also includes statements taken from translators, and abusees one of which the crimes comitted against a 14 year old.

some sick stuff, the US is covering this up! the media turns a blind eye!

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Well, not only did US forces in Abu Ghraib & Guantanamo Bay carry out abuse of prisoners, seems the same things happened in Bagram airbase in Afghanistan...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/afghanista...417396,00.html

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Suzanne Goldenberg in Washington and James Meek
Friday February 18, 2005
The Guardian

New evidence has emerged that US forces in Afghanistan engaged in widespread Abu Ghraib-style abuse, taking "trophy photographs" of detainees and carrying out rape and sexual humiliation.

Documents obtained by the Guardian contain evidence that such abuses took place in the main detention centre at Bagram, near the capital Kabul, as well as at a smaller US installation near the southern city of Kandahar.

The documents also indicate that US soldiers covered up abuse in Afghanistan and in Iraq - even after the Abu Ghraib scandal last year.

A thousand pages of evidence from US army investigations released to the American Civil Liberties Union after a long legal battle, and made available to the Guardian, show that an Iraqi detained at Tikrit in September 2003 was forced to withdraw his report of abuse after soldiers told him he would be held indefinitely.

Meanwhile, photographs taken in southern Afghanistan showing US soldiers from the 22nd Infantry Battalion posing in mock executions of blindfolded and bound detainees, were purposely destroyed after the Abu Ghraib scandal to avoid "another public outrage", the documents show.

(snip)

And I bet The Powers That Be still claim it was all due to "a few bad apples", rather than being due to orders from on high.