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And the US doesn't deal with countries who have bad reputations where it comes to human rights, does it? <cough> Saudi Arabia <cough> Turkey <cough> China <cough>

"European politicians have recently attacked and undercut the U.S. on North Korea, on the Middle East, over the Afghan war"

Translation: they weren't willing to just go along with what ever the US wanted.

"about prisoners at Guantanamo"

Those "unlawful combatants" held illegally, incommunicado, without access to legal representation, the Red Cross, about to be tried in military courts who have the power to issue death penalties with no appeals?

Gosh, I would have sworn that there are a few other countries who have had such powers...!

Because the USA wants to "buy" its way out of international accords on pollution, global warming et al because it's not in *their* interest! (Obviously environmental catastrophes are something that only happen to *other* people!)

"regarding the International Criminal Court,"

Sorry, which country was it who wouldn't sign up *unless* their people had *total immunity* from the Court?!

"in scores of trade battles,"

Did someone mention steel tarrifs? And what about the levy that the USA wanted to put on Scottish Cashmere? (Wow, *that's* obviously a major threat to US industry!)

Err, pardon??? I could have sworn I heard a contradiction there...!!!

Ah yes, a ballistic missile shield (which probably won't actually work unless the tests are fiddled!) but which requires radars on other country's soil to even attempt to get to function, meaning that *other* countries become targets instead! Oh! Of course, how silly of me! It means that the US will be protected from these "rogue states" because they'll be shooting at someone else!!

Of course not. The US has its own list of people who it wants to help for its own political purposes!! (Psst, Mr Rumsfeld, what were you doing in Iraq in the 1980s?)

Of course they won't! They're too busy shipping tanks and helicopters and other weaponry to Israel which they use to destroy homes in refugee camps and enforce a new "Berlin Wall" they're building! (Oh, BTW, don't they have a nuclear programme too?!)

Why does that sound like the words of the playground bully? Perhaps we should make sure we keep the bully happy? Isn't there a word for that? "Appeasement" perhaps??

Err, but *who* exactly is that massive force going to *fight*? Who exactly are they going to defend us *from*? Last I recall, the Soviet Union had collapsed and there's no major threat of invasion from anyone else!

And how much of the pollution?

And how much of the spam?!

Let's see, arrogance, bullying attitude, overweaning pride, the thought that they *must* be right and everyone else *must* be wrong, behaving like spoiled children who *have* to get their way, trying to dictate to everyone else how they should live their lives...

Yep, you've got that one *exactly* right!

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Here's where I heard it:
http://www.channel4.com/news/2003/sp...ard_place.html (in the transcript)

I really think it would benefit people interested in the subject of iraq to watch the 1hour program here: http://www.channel4.com/news/2003/sp...ard_place.html

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Jerrek,
Whilst I do not wish to offend you, or cause you any grief......


.....Instead of posting the pro imperialistic American propoganda :D that you choose to do, you know the posts repeating the whinging of why America is the most hated country in the world. Why dont you stop, read some of the replies here properly and think about what is being said. The thing that is most hated about America is exactly the kind of thing you are posting in its defence.

On another note heres a little story about when I was in the states:-

When I visited the states for the millenium, I found it to be a nice place, I cant say i would want to live there but it was nice for a visit. I found 90% of the people to be great, they really took an interest in me because I was English.
However whilst sat in an English theme bar (yeah I thought it was funny too)I met, or rather I had the misfortune to meet two Irish American "Gentlemen" who upon hearing my accent decided to launch into their Pro IRA speeches and sing songs of blowing up british soldiers.
I had a few choice words, I had to defend what I considered wrong, I had to point out that NI could go back to Ireland at anytime it pleases as far as I am concerned but the catholics and the proddies will slaughter each other and that was the reason the british army is there in the first place.
The world was put right!!!! lol

Anyway we went to a club, were refused entry because our English driving license didnt have a picture on it. And for obvious reasons you dont carry your passport around with you whilst in a foreign country. The bouncer was quite arrogant (see just the same as the UK). Told us that we needed to americanise ourselves whilst in his country. Now that statement to me sums up certain attitudes, we were visiting his country, we had made a journey of thoudsands of miles to be made unwelcome by some brain dead neanderthal whos whole ambition in life was to beat the living crap out of people that he didnt like.

The staff in the british bar we went too still have contact with us through a friend that now lives in the states. They collect metal pin badges and we often send over badegs of English football teams etc. These people are the nicest bunch of people I have ever met, however there are an element who, for reasons only known to themselves, think that America is THE place to live in the world, who consider anyone to be outsiders, who fear outsiders. I couldnt help but laugh at the bouncer that thought we were a challenge to his American way of life, 5 british guys who only wanted a drink.

I have come across Americans in the North East of England who are extremely arrogant, that try and use their American nationality to get them to the front of queues, get them entrance to places for free etc etc. I also have a great friendship with an American girl who married a friend of mine, she left sunny Florida to live in the north east of England, she had no trouble adjusting once she got used to the cold (lol). I often talk to her about the states, she see's things differently watching the UK news, she can see how the US is trying to dictate to the world. It makes her unhappy, she isnt a follower of the bush administration, she thinks he is bad for the country.


Perhaps this is because she gets to see the outside world, perhaps its because she is no longer fed the brainwashing "this is the American way" propagander, perhaps she just realised that the US is becoming its own worst enemy.

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Ahhh right, so I guess the Eurofighter is a myth, what about our input into the JSF? Hey what about all the money we are paying to the US to purchase apache helicoptors? what about the Royal Navies development of supercarriers? (something the UK has NEVER had nor needed). What about the fact we have American listening stations on our soil to listen to the Russians making the UK a prime target for Nuclear attack (obviously back in the cold war days).
We dont want the US to defend us, we simply dont have enough soldiers or aircraft or indeed civilains to offset any potential friendly fire incidents.
So the US forces can quite happily **** off back to the states, most of europe couldnt give two flying ****s what they do.

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Watching it again I remembered how good it was- I think I might as well let this program do my arguing for me:p:
Part 1
Part 2
Part 3
Part 4

Re: anti americanism fashionable
 

Sorry for the delay in replying, NTL has been screwed up majorly down here in Portsmouth and it's been impossible to get in.

I'm just going to address a couple of points...

Which is nonsense. Why can't you be American *and* acknowledge your roots?

Comparing your Civil War to the Holocaust is reaching just a little!

But you're acting as if there was one big country of "Europe" instead of a whole bunch of independant sovereign nations!

And in "America's back yard" according to some...! And please, don't tell me that US politics have nothing to do with what happens in those countries!!