Originally Posted by Sociable

Only one flaw in your argument noob and that is congestion in off peak times wont be an issue as it wont affect the vast majority of games players and browsers or any other mainstream users.

Shifting such use out of the peak time will, however, give clear benefits to all users.

Don't forget this was never put forward as being an issue about total usage it was stressed that the need arose because of congestion at peak times only.

Our solution has the benefit of helping shift and balance loads throughout the 24 hour cycle making the most efficient use of the available bandwidth.

As for producing problem off-peak instead, I doubt sufficient downloads would ever shift for this to be a real issue so the probability that of-peak would get congested instead is unlikely to apply unless you are saying the off peak useage is already very high as well.

Originally Posted by JustAnotherN00b

rodd - I'm not pro-ntl for the sake of it, I'm pro being fair, and pro being reasonable. I guess my issue really is that a guideline is given in the AUP, customers are asked to stick to it, it's made fairly clear they are using above that level. The only time I've seen you post is when you have something anti-ntl to say. I'm also pro-customer that's why I help on here when I can, however at the same time I'm a realist, and accept that with nearly a million cable modem customers and over a million customers in total to have a member of staff sitting there crunching numbers because rodd thinks that ntl should give people who by their own admission use extreme amounts of bandwidth complete breakdowns of their usage seems crazy. Staff are better spent on improving customers experience. Who knows maybe if people decide to query this more information can be presented.

Either way your accusation of this being so that ntl can avoid upgrading wasn't pro customer it was purely anti-ntl, and looks as though it was fallacy. Maybe if ntl offer an uncontended 10mbit to every customer for a fiver a month you'll be happy? All I'm suggesting is being reasonable. Customers have been asked to calm usage down, not at this stage threatened. There are better uses for CS staff than providing detailed breakdowns of customers usage. Those who use massive amounts of bandwidth would if I had a say have been off the service months ago. Some ADSL ISPs have culled crazily heavy users in the past, it's nothing new.

However that isn't the argument here, or the discussion. Were ntl right to send these letters, yes I think they were, and some at least agree with me, others agree but are staying quiet ;)


What people who've received this do is entirely up to them, I would lean towards doing as asked though, or if you can't do that leaving the service. Downloading 2 DVDs a day for £35 a month can't last for ever really?

Originally Posted by Acathla

Where can you buy a car without a speedo?

Originally Posted by SMHarman

Oooh don't let Ken Livingstone near this thread he'll introduce congestion charging on the NTL network.

Originally Posted by Womble

When your pulled over for speeding by the police, can you use the excuse you don't have a speedo?? (Odometer)...No. Measure your own usage. If ntl just cut you straight off I could see your point but, aren't the letters warning you that you have exceeded the limit??, and requesting you to slow down??

Originally Posted by JustAnotherN00b

Those arguing for shifting of downloads to offpeak times have a look at this:
http://www.plus.net/supportpages.htm...c477b55b17e8b5

Note there is virtually no drop at all in upstream use, and when you consider that the vast majority of all downstream use is due to 'heavier' users, it'll just shift congestion to a different time of the day.

Originally Posted by MovedGoalPosts

No the communist model is exactly what you are preaching, equal shares for everybody, everybody is equal. You however appear to be confusing this with the failed russian model of communism - everybody is equal but I'm better than you.

Originally Posted by IanUK

Now on the register:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/22/35684.html

Originally Posted by Blake

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Just seen this.

http://www.aol.co.uk/broadband/compa...l?promo=228937

AOL Broadband 1Mb

What can I use it for?

Originally Posted by Dr. Plummer

I agree but my main point is that ntl do not advertise the fact that their broadband service is shared with other customers or tell them that they cannot exactly do what they want to do with their connection i.e there is a download limit being enforced etc.

Originally Posted by cjmillsnun

Neither do BT, but BT have exactly the same cap in force on their 512k BT Broadband package.

Originally Posted by Acathla

Where can you buy a car without a speedo?