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Maybe if more of them took the time to glance out of the windows in their Ivory Towers, they would have turned up to vote :p:

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The reason I raised the question was because of this article, written almost 10 years ago:

Could Ireland join Schengen?

If Eire did start to review its Schengen options, that would add another challenge to the "open" border solution.

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If Ireland joined Shengen, then they would be responsible for the hard border, not the UK.

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To be precise, it's the Government's call. It doesn't matter what I say, I don't have the power to make it happen.

You are continuing to ignore the simple fact that the EU exports more to us than we do to them. These other EU countries have already started to express disquiet with Barnier's hard line approach. Watch this space.

By the way, it was less than half the electorate that voted to remain, not half. And those that didn't vote don't care or haven't a clue.

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...And they said it wouldn't happen!

Well, guess what, folks....... :D

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Or weren't worried either way so can be allocated the same division as those that actually could be arsed to get out. The result still stands.

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Yeah, we leave. The EU. The Single Market. The customs union.

Right, that's that clear. :D

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OB, you are falling into the Brexit "will of the people" trap. You well know that the percentage of the electorate who voted Leave was 37% ...

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Read this today in the Times:

Attachment 27460

It is pretty vicious. The party that used to be the "Party of Business" seems no more. The author may have a (Murdoch) axe to grind but this is pretty accurate:

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Yep l posted the link earlier with balance but as usual the usual ad nauseam straw man argument repeated itself yet again.

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I was referring, of course, to the section of the electorate who voted, as the remainder of my posts have made very clear. Why pull hairs? It doesn't make you right if you pull a pedantic fast one.

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He was talking about those who tell themselves that they represent business. You know, like the unions say they represent employees.

And you mustn't forget that Boris is Boris. :D

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Well, if your arguments are relying on straw for support, don't be surprised if someone effortlessly blows them down, Den.

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I think Boris is almost trying to get fired. His backing off from Heathrow doesn't help either.

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And you need to be kept being told when you keep bringing this incorrect assertion, that you need to stop bringing in people who were not eligible to vote or could not be arsed to vote, in your percentage calculations, it’s a false narrative.

The EU referendum vote was one of the largest Democratic processes in modern political history, the result is the will of the people, 52% to be precise, any other figure by you, is clutching at straws and is incorrect!

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It is pointless to bring non-voters into the equation as they had a choice and didn't care enough to vote. I think there is a valid point about young people who've had this decision which will impact them made by older generations but I guess this is true of all elections and it's rarely a demographic that the electorate seems to care about so it's not unusual.

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This was on Channel 4 last night, a briefing to the new US Ambassador to London on Brexit - https://twitter.com/davemacladd/stat...786314240?s=19. The full program is here - http://www.channel4.com/programmes/i...mand/66335-001 with that clip 21 minutes in.

Yikes!

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Fake News! Nothing incorrect here .. Brexit was decided by 37% of the electorate. The Will of (Some Of The) People :)

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Yikes indeed. A brutal assessment of the Brexit shambles by the US diplomats.

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You have highlighted the important aspect of this vote that sets it apart from the others. The older generation voted for their vision of the UK's future, a future that a lot of them will not see. They decided, which is their right, the future of their grandchildren but here's the rub: the people who will inherit their decision, overwhelmingly, did not want it.

It highlights a paradox: normally, throughout human evolution, parents & grandparents make decisions that will better, financially, socially, etc. their offspring. In a lot of situations, the older generations have gone without so that their offspring will have a better chance in life. In this case, the older generation have determined that the future they want (but a lot will not see) is the opposite of that the younger generation desire.

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Yep, the 37% who felt strongly enough about it to go out and vote . . . as opposed to those who didn't bother because their masters told them 'it will never happen' :p:

Considering the 'younger generation' probably outnumber the 'older generation' (I've no idea what age groups you're implying), it seems obvious that the 'younger generation' did the usual thing of sitting on their arse while someone else did the work :D