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Im not attacking you personally but that view is EXTREMELY naive.
As I have again said previoulsy (I do seem to be repeating myself a lot), but I pay extra subscriptions for legall musci and video download sites. Videos from there are mostly between 700-900meg each. Theres your limit pretty much without doing anything else online.

Yeah people can use the interent for illegal things but for you to tarnish us all with the thought that, 'well he is downloading more than me so he must be downloading illegal material' - bull!

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I still believe 1gig isn't bad (If the cap is applied sensibly). My wife and my youngest use the PC during the day, and my eldest and myself use it in the evening, and apart from when I download Karate stuff I never hit the limit and I play games most nights

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Which is why I dont pay for dedicated internet access.
Can I refer to punky's post here: http://forum.nthellworld.co.uk/showp...&postcount=263

Completely agree. If NTL had a fair system of dividing the bandwidth round then there wouldnt be a problem. If noone is logged on then I would get full speed but if there were 100 people logged on then of course we should ALL get slower speeds. Why be it I get full speed and 99 others get lesser speeds?

Is that my fault?

It has been said 1,000,000 times before but NTL's network is bad and we are being accussed of it. Own up NTL and sort it out.

(oh and giving us an unrealistic limit is NOT sorting it out)

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I'm near 100% sure that its illegal.
Its just Music Publishers will generally go after distributers as they are usually the big players. Same as drugs, stop the dealers and youll stop the sales.

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1 gig a day may be enough to run a small business, but it can still be easily used up, streaming, full software packages, beta testing software, email, web browsing , game demos, software demos, backing up data, mp3s and movies

before you start of on me on the piracy issue, just remember 2 things, don't label people please just because you dont use much traffic it means to use more cant be right, right? There are places now where you can download movies legally and in the future this will become much more popular, the future is content and big downloads, the future is higher bitrate streams, the future is online content live with it. Also the competition seems to be disagreeing with ntl.

Adsl - 2mbit to homes
BY - 2mbit to homes
NTL - 1mbit to homes with 1 gig/day cap

hmmm let me think about this, are ntl thinking of the future or are they thinking of now.

the truth is womble it is possible to run an isp without stupid limits, otherwise 90% of the ADSL market would have gone bust.

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I got no problem disclosing what I download but to be quite frank it is noone's business for the record I will be probably be under 30 gig this month, (used 12 gig so far) but its the future and other user's I am concerned for, and also when I myself might want to download 50 gig 1 month.

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Fair point for your own use 1 gig may well be fair but how does that help every other user?

Do I assume that the lack of comment on the point about NTL needing to be open and honest means you agree 100% with the point I make?

Just so it is clear, the reason we are asking NTL to rethink this policy is partly to ensure that heavy users do not impact on your enjoyment too.

As currently worded the AUP has no chance of doing this.

If a more appropriately worded and enforced AUP was put in place then it would help "average" users like yourself and this would make it a selling point rather than a turn-off for most "average" users.

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So ADSL companies can and do provide restricted usage packages, that the inferior ntl service seemingly could not provide.
At least you now agree that excessive usage that is not causing congestion is ok.

Get the monitoring software to monitor the peak and off-peak times, and you might as well also monitor the most off-peak times as well (sleeping hours midnight-ish till 8ish). It's not that difficult to do monitoring. Then we can make progress. You still haven't given a valid reason for treating the sleeping-hours the same as the peak hours.
You're missing the point again.
Bandwidth is present and hardly being used in the most off-peak periods, such as the sleeping hours. There is no justifiable reason for more or unlimited downloading to be allowed in that period. It causes no disruption, all that is happening is that, what is there is being used instead of being left idle.

The monitoring is also simplified, as there is no monitoring needed to be done in that period (normal sleeping hours).

There is complete logic in treating that period (normal sleeping hours) differently, and encouraging more users, and especially the heavy users, to use that period more as it will not affect their cap limit.

This is the logic that I/we have tried to drum into the ntl mindset, at great length, but their minds were closed to suggestions of any kind of logic.
As I have said before, logic is not one of ntl's strong points, so I don't hold much hope of getting through the mindset, this time. However, I can but try.

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NTL should buy licences for netlimiter then supply to their customers so they can monitor their own bandwidth and cap it if neccesary, womble can I ask your thoughts on applying a cap with no isp provided means to measure traffic used?

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Me too, my habbits might change in the future, bigger, better streaming, who knows.

I have got a dvd or too from usenet, had to try it.. see what all the fuss was, but took too long.. 12 hours a movie.. no thanks.

I don't want to be recieving letters/emails/bombs etc, for using a connection legally.

If I was to be doing activity, that was not in the aup/t&s, then I would expect the hassle, but not for using the connection as I do.

They need to sort it out, and stop following BT -no-frills- AUP

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rodd ure bang on, it should be a time of day thing, I would expect after this cap was introduced that congestion during peak periods was sligthly affected (as people will still use the net when they at pc) but greatly affected at quiet times meaning they probably near bottoming out now at 3am LOL

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Why not save more money and offer a heavy user type account for users. You can save the money by offering a connection only. No webspace or email......

A lot of techy users run there own mail and web - or host elsewhere as the NTL servers are too unreliable !!!

Give those users unlimited bandwidth during the off peak hours and limit the speed on a 1mb to say 600k during peak hours. 600k is more than ample for web browsing and any heavy file downloads can be done overnight !

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When your pulled over for speeding by the police, can you use the excuse you don't have a speedo?? (Odometer)...No. Measure your own usage. If ntl just cut you straight off I could see your point but, aren't the letters warning you that you have exceeded the limit??, and requesting you to slow down??

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Wrong.

I am a sound artist, I write, produce and remix electronica/downtempo music.

I collaborate with people in the UK, USA, Germany, France & Sweden.

In order to do so, I send via FTP and file trasfer either ICQ or MSN .wav files in order to maintain the quality of the tracks we're doing. It's quicker to send a 800 meg (full audio CD) via the net than it is to send it airmail to USA or Sweden.

I'll leave my PC running so I can send/recieve similar files, which can be easily a couple of GIG a day.

This is before I use a not-so-well-known-P2P-program, as there is a community on there of like-minded people who share 320kbps mp3 files of thier work, 95% of them are unsigned and it's a fantastic way to promote your music, get instant feedback.

So it is easy to exceed NTL's silly limit, they need sort this out, else they'll suffer in the long run, most people I know on NTL haven't been overly happy with the service in the last 6 months to a year, with the myriad of problems from proxy's to e-mail.

Companies currently offering 2mb lines for £35.49 (that's 49p more than NTL charge you for a 1mb line)

NTL, drop your pricing & increase the limits or you'll lose a lot of customers :wavey:

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Where can you buy a car without a speedo?