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Margaret Thatcher's Govt. negotiated more with the IRA than Corbyn ever has. So did John Major, so did Ian Paisley. Corbyn was just at ahead of them. Talking is the only way to bring peace and get anything done, which thankfully the IRA finally realised. Still don't think their should have an amnesty for any murderers though, republican or loyalist.

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Ah, to be in OBs rose(or should that be blue) tinted world ;)

The North/South divide must be bigger than I thought if you all got nice new trains. I'm guessing you're not a regular train user ....

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And Southern Railways are so punctual, reliable, and such good value for money

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Not according to my brothers who think are one of the worst TOC's there are...

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And of course that has nothing whatsoever to do with the unions and other matters outside of the companies control.

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The TOC Southern the govenment and the unions have all had years to sort out these problems but of course its the commuters who end up taking the full brunt with poor unsatistactory services prevelant throughout those years.

Governments , Southern and the unions are all to blame at the end of the day but still its alright for the commuters to bear the brunt of it all as that does not seem to matter in all this until they want to fleece the customer with its high ticket prices.

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Am I right in thinking most of the recent 'discussion' concerns the pros & cons of bringing public transport back into public ownership?

I'd vote yes if we could go back to proper locomotives, big powerful beasts blowing smoke and steam, pulling those fancy carriages with separate compartments and comfy seats.

oh well, I can dream I suppose.

Funny how everything changes . . apart from politics :D

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So what precisely is in the companies control, that would change anything? Nobody EVER actually offers solutions.

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Surely its not beyond the wit of man when there are problems to come up with solutions unless one does not want a solution in the first place..

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How about re-investing more of the profits in the business, providing more carriages, better services?

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The same predictable campaigns full of false promises which none of the political parties ever keep l would imagine...

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I'm a BP member, but the BP has stood down the candidate as my town has a large Tory majority.

So I will for the fist time vote Tory.

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Isn't one of the solutions to build a very expensive fast route from North to South, a solution that will only satisfy those who can afford the (probably) high fares to use it?

oh, and who is paying for that may I ask?

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There have been reports of student who can vote bragging that they will vote Labour twice.


What we need is this, we are in the 21st century FFS.
Issue ID cards no ID card no vote.

You can go in to any voting station, this will help people who work out their area.

You put your card into the machine it knows where you are registered to vote and you vote.

If you have registered to vote by post you will not be able to vote.

If you think you vote is secret think again.

When you vote they take your name and address, a give a code to the person next to them say C8.

This is written on a counter foil of the voting slip, which if you look has a series of holes which will match your voting slip, so they can tell who you voted and if you spoilt your paper.

The added advantage is if you buy controlled items like knives, chemiclas etc this will be recorded, again no ID no sale.

There is NOT one valid arguement against them, if you have nothing to hide then you will get on.

You could even incorporate it into the driving licence, this will be cheaper.

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It is one of the solutions but alas the cost of it seems to be running out of control which as we all know is not a surprise.

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l will give you three guesses although a intelligent man like yourself will only need one.;)

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And in what way would any of those actually reduce delays? :rolleyes:

What profits? Not sure what the current situation is, but they have previously made losses or low amount of profits. It is the parent company that is making any profits from their other businesses.

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Absolute rubbish.. :rolleyes:

Thatcher did not stand with them in any capacity, she was not on their side, else why did they try to Assassinate her, by trying to blow her up during the Brighten Bombing in 1984, no she and her government were never on their side, but Corbyn was, inviting them for tea and biscuits, at the Palace of Westminster, nor did she relish their victory over the British, like Labour Shadow Home Secretary, Dianne Abbott did during their bombing campaign which killed innocent soldiers and people.

It was a "Bloody Era", that cost many innocent lives, yet years later, Shadow Chancellor, John McDonnell said "We should honour the bombs and bullets."

Then there is Corbyn siding with the Russians during their escapade to assassinate one of it's own citizens, on our soil, evidence was so apparent but Corbyn had said more time should be given. :rolleyes:

Corbyn stands with the terrorists, he is always on their side and it is almost certain he will get rid of Trident, our Nuclear deterrent, more playing in to Russian hands.

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In the past I have disagreed with but understood why some people vote labour but this time, with this collection of old school maoists, stalinists and anti-semites, I think that you have to be insane to vote for them. :2cents:

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Well you also have to question those that vote for the sale of the NHS, tax cuts for the rich, giving our young people no hope/dead end zero hours contracts, continued privatisation of vital public sevices, secretly being funded by Russian friends and supported by Trump.
Hobson's choice ?

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Has anyone mentioned Crime & Punishment yet?

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Completely agree 1000% :clap:

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More fake information from you - give up telling porkies Man, it is not working, given the Tories are doing very well via our own polling. :rolleyes:

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Indeed !. I'm curious which of these assertions are fake. We'd have a better idea if the Tories hadn't conveniently refused to publish the intelligence agency report.

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There are Still a few pacers knocking about, but they are few and far between.

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They are few and far between now, but they should have been gone long before now. Privatisation began in 1996 yet the wholesale replacement of the Northern and Transpennine fleets with new rolling stock designed and procured specifically for their services (I.e. not used stock cascaded from the southeastern franchises) has only properly got underway in the last 5 years.

Breaking up British Rail and devising a system of getting private investment back into the railway was a good idea in principle but there should have been a sharper focus on the social utility of the railway and not simply on where the quickest and easiest returns on investment are.

Old Boy’s unqualified comment about privatisation delivering shiny new trains is simply untrue.

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Everyone we seem to get is a Pacer.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...edge-to-retire

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No "sale" of the NHS. Labour did more "privatisation" of the NHS. The poor aren't paying tax, so how it it be cut? So who should be doing these "dead end" jobs? Zero hours contracts previously existed in a different form. It was the minimum wage laws that "introduced" them. Secretly funded? Not so secretly, if you apparently know the details. Perhaps you'd like to share those "secrets".:rolleyes:

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Jennifer Arcuri: Boris Johnson cast me aside as if I were a gremlin

https://www.itv.com/news/2019-11-17/...ere-a-gremlin/

interview on itv exposure at 11pm

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:zzz:

This is getting boring now, yet more irrelevant smears. Won't change peoples stances on who to vote and by the way, Labour is still disastrous.

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You are seriously equating the above with what stalinists and maoists want to inflict on this country?!

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Police assessing claims that Tories offered peerages to Brexit party

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...o-brexit-party

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both are disastrous

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Ed Miliband's energy cap proposal was called a 'Marxist plot' by the Tories. They then implemented the same thing ! Maybe the Marxists in the Tory party needed to be rooted out ? All these labels are lazy smears of unimaginative tabloid journalists prompted by their paymasters.

I don't see anything Marxist/Stalinist/Maoist in policies like making sure everyone gets basic dental care, I'll have a look in my copy of Das Kapital but I don't think Marx proposed anything on the issue ;)

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Wasn't the same thing. Milliband proposed a complete freeze on prices, regardless of increases in costs. The cap changes with conditions, and only applies to those on standard variable tariffs. May was "rooted out", finally.


It's only for dental check-ups, not dental care.

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It's basically the same thing, interfering with the market... Our energy pricing is a scandal, making the poor on pre payment meters pay most for their energy is pervese.

The free dental care covers band 1 ie some treatment, scale/polish & x-rays. It might also pick up oral cancer. This isn't communist it's something any civilised first world affluent country should be doing.

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Are pre-payment meters more costly? How much of any "extra cost" is purely down to paying off previous debts?


The dental charges are already fixed, ie subsidised. In an affluent country, the people pay, not the state. A scale/polish isn't going to stop people getting to the stage of needing A&E, which this proposal is meant to be aimed at.

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Ofcom had a review over 2 years ago and found they were generally more expensive.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-40848021

https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/...gy-meters.html

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5p a day extra.:shocked:


So any current examples? People paying by direct debit, generally have cheaper tariffs as there are less costs involved. That will account for any differences.

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Hitting those in poverty the hardest. Welcome to capitalism!

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The poor are the ones getting the freebies, all financed by capitalism.

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That’s no way to speak of the banks bailed out to the tune of billions.

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I didn’t know there were any BP members, only registered supporters?

BP supporters cannot vote to choose candidates, or vote on BP policies, unlike members of other U.K. parties, yet the BP web page on ‘getting involved" states -

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It wasn't the banks as such that were bailed out, it was the banking system that was bailed out. That allows people to get personal loans, business loans, and mortgages. EG Northern Rock could no longer obtain the money to issue the mortgages. The banks losses originated from people borrowing money and not paying it back.

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The banks/the banking system. It’s once and the same. Financial speculators creaming off profits from gambles year in year out then walking away when it all goes wrong.

The taxpayer (ironically) foots the bill having suffered the inflationary effects of the loans being issued in ten first place!

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Link

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Thanks for proving my point.

Privatise the profits and nationalise the losses. These companies position themselves as “too big to fail” thus the state has to step in. As with failed train operators.

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They still made losses. They paid taxes on any profits. The people who borrowed the money that wasn't paid back, made profits or were looking for a quick and easy profit. As the recently repeated documentary on Lehman Brothers revealed, it was the people on the ground who were faking documents and earning lots of commission. Some of that effect did pass back up the chain, but it was still the lowest levels initiating it all.

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Blaming the little guy as always. It’s quite unbecoming.

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Whenever something goes wrong, there's always a fall guy

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Making Eastwood look a star?

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Notice the Tories aren't doing many stump speeches...they are leaving the campaigning to Labour.....

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They haven't got a very good record to defend. Relying on apathy, and fear of Labour is their only tactic.

However the status quo isn't always the safest option, particularly if you are ill...
https://www.theguardian.com/society/...ving-medicines
Oops !

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Not surprised with the possible shortage of certain medications as l have been hearing about this for a while through various sources.

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Wasn't “medication shortages” a typical scare tactic by Remainers last time?

It doesn’t work. Non of this misinformation, which is what it is, “sources said this, “sources say that”, it’s bollocks. I work in healthcare sector and there is no issue of medication shortages, sure medications run out of stock in pharmaceutical outlets, but that is a supply and demand issue.

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And hospital waiting times and performance, the worst on record? Not project fear, it's what's happening now, after 10 years of this Govt. It won't get better if we're silly enough to re-elect them. The cabinet of millionaires goes nowhere near the NHS. It's for the plebs after all.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-50397856

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l am not worried whether it was a scare tactic by the Remainers Mick as l don't care two hoots about that as there are shortages in certain medications that is quite clear unless you think people have a habit of making things up which of course given your agenda seems to be all the time....

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No doubt that will be classed as a "Remainer scare tactic as well"....

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Corbyn is a millionaire yet you’re here defending him all the time. Yawn yawn yawn. Pathetic. It won’t stop me choosing to vote Conservatives.

P.S. And waiting times soared under Labour. :rolleyes:

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Surprising ! Given up on Farage and Brexit then? ;)

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You know my stance on wanting to leave the corrupted EU. But, frankly-None of your business on my reasonings & voting intentions. Actually.

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Seems pretty obvious to me, as a thicko, that the advances made in earlier detection of illnesses would lead to a shortage of the means to treat them . . i.e. drugs and beds.

Take diabetes and heart/cardo vascular problems as an example, they've been on the rise for years.

oh, and that's in the under 65's so an aging population argument doesn't wash

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It was in the documentary. The brokers on the ground were falsifying income details in order that the sub-prime mortgages were approved and they earned their commission. It was shown again on Mon Oct 28th at 10pm on BBC4. The higher ups may have then gone on to falsify other things, but that was to hide the losses the ground level staff had created.

Link to iPlayer episode.

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I've seen many a documentary peddling the obvious lines of the state and the neo-liberal elite.

The purposes of these are to keep you compliant, not to inform you. It's evidently working!

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And the UK is the only EU country with medicine shortages?:rolleyes:

List of links by EU country.
Ireland(because it's in English).
As the Ireland list says repeatedly, "(multiple countries affected)". Appears to be a list of 180 drugs with a shortage. (did a text search in the page for "date of shortage", it appears 181 times, subtract one for the table header).

Did a similar type of check for France. It appears to have around 170 on their list. ("med.gif" appears 174 times in page source).

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It had interviews with various people "on the ground", including those whose job it was to sign off on the income claims and the discrepancies they found. Who else had direct everyday involvement in selling dodgy sub-prime mortgages?

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And those people are complicit in peddling the myth. You’re really struggling with the concept of misinformation here.

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He’s only a millionaire if you take into account his pension fund (he has been an MP for 36 years), and his house (which he has lived in for over 35 years, and terraced house prices in Islington have increased 10 fold in the last 25 years).

Your basically knocking someone for being in the same job and house for over 30 years, and circumstances beyond his control inflating the value of his house and pension.

My house value, savings, and various pension funds add up to just over a million pounds, but strangely enough, I don’t feel like a millionaire...

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So was the top guy the one filling out the bogus income forms? Must have been incredibly busy.:rolleyes:

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You've moved from one ridiculous extreme to another as opposed to the much more likely reality that it's a reflection of a culture throughout the organisation. People at the top giving instructions, targets, etc to those in the middle who in turn pass those down the food chain.

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He hasn't earned any of it by "real" work or living in the real world. Getting into a safe Labour seat and that was pretty much it. He and a lot in Labour, don't understand how businesses have to operate. They don't understand how to create revenue and limits costs. To them, money is just handed to them on a plate, with no consequences.

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Having targets and aims do not suggest falsifying documents. Without targets and commissions, people would simply sit on their backsides doing nothing and still earn money. The top people wouldn't want to lose money from those falsified documents, would they? In the short term, they might benefit, but it soon unravels. Just as Government overspending and borrowing does.

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You seem to conveniently overlook that investors lost out too, big time. The banking crisis affected most people, one way or another.

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Yeah, the communists of past regimes thought that, too. It didn't help the poor. Instead, it impoverished everyone. And investors ran a mile, so there was little money coming in.

Not one of your better ideas, jfman.

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Just amend "Labour" to "Labour and Conservative" to be accurate.

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If I lose money on the 4.40 at Cheltenham because I went for a 100/1 shot would you have sympathy for me for being fast and loose with my cash?
Unsure of what you refer to, and nobody is advocating communism so I dismiss your point as irrelevant.

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Having no robust quality assurance checks or auditing to pick up on such falsification supports that the steer is to get results at all costs and push the spreadsheet values up. Shareholder value goes up and those who move at the right time can make a fortune.

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On your first point, investors are investing as part of their job, and it is just as well that they do. You are preaching the politics of envy, because they can personally make a lot of money out of it. They can lose it all, as well.

As for your second point, it sounded pretty Communistic to me. What politics do you call it, then? Just where do you draw the line with these left-wing views you've been expressing?

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Still people at the bottom end of things originating the fraud.

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I'm pretty sure lads at the bottom didn't buy ABM-AMRO.

Anyway you'll never see the light so I'm moving on.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50454627

But... But... This will harm business???

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Interesting that BoJo has cancelled the reduction in Corporation Tax as it would cost £6bn.

Seems that he's won the argument over the less economically-literate members of his MPs who kidded themselves that it would raise more revenue.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50454627

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Yep, there are always hiccups in manufacturing and distribution and it does go to show how delicate the supply chains are in the pharmaceutical world.

If people are really interested, there are weekly updates on what drugs are currently banned from export from the UK due to shortages and internal needs. Here's the current list - https://www.gov.uk/government/upload...uk.csv/preview

Note that the list seems short as generic names are used and all presentations are kept together where appropriate

Seems to be a lot of contraceptive pills on there!

If you get caught exporting when you shouldn't, a world of pain will be coming to that exporter...

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Conservative is my choice at this stage unless it looks like the Brexit candidate has a better chance of ousting the Labour MP.

We have had 101 years of Labour here, even tough the gap has been closing there's little hope of getting rid of the Labour MP in my lifetime. Every election they vote for Labour because their father, grandfather and great grandfather voted Labour, then they spend the next 4-5 years complaining about Labour!

We have very strong left wing Momentum support here who keep reminding the uneducated that the Conservatives closed all the mines. I engaged one on social media about mines in the Rhondda, his reply was "We all know the Conservatives closed most of the mines". He provided a Wiki link, it took me all of 10 minutes to work out that since WW2 the scores for mine closures were 7 for the Conservatives and 12 for Labour. The left wing extremists hate facts and just get brave hurling abuse from their keyboards.

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Interesting notion you’ve brought up here, because I floated in the Brexit thread it was impossible for 33 million people to make fully informed choices. Yet I was shot down.

Further, assuming this holds do mothers vote Conservative? As we’d a Conservative Government from 1979-1997 (22 to 40 year olds) a lot of people’s dads must have voted Conservative. Do their children do the same, because they are equally wealthy and privileged? Or are they “too clever (enough to not die in a fire at least) and they always make informed choices?

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This Mirror article tends to disagree with you.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-new...closed-1844712

It is the jobs lost not the mines closed that is the important metric. You may have small mines that employ a small number of mines for example.

If you are claiming facts, it is very useful to cite your sources. I am afraid "Google is my source" is not good enough :)

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My area voted around 60% leave even though we benefit from the EU. People tend to feel the money has been wasted on vanity projects instead of being spent on projects to help lift people out of poverty. Labour around here love grants from anywhere they can get them and for what ever excuse they can find.

I'm sure the mothers have also been voting Labour, and if we keep the children poor they will most likely continue the trend.

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You can be sure any money saved from Brexit won't be heading to the Regions. It'll stay in the richest corner of the country. I'm afraid you've been misled. The EU was your safety net.

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Read my post again and look at the details, I was commenting on mines closed in the Rhondda. The picture in South Wales is probably not the same as other parts of the country, I spent some time researching closures in South Wales and quite a few closed for various reasons notably a lack of miners to run them. This was due to the availability of cleaner jobs such as Llanwern steelworks, Port Talbot and BP Llandarcy. Additionally some of the smaller mines had to close because they needed the miners for the larger mines due to the shortage of miners.

Here's the list of mines in the Rhondda with the closure dates, if you want to calculate who closed the most mines since WW2 go fill your boots.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...hondda_Valleys

On a countrywide basis when I looked at figures a number of years ago for closures comparing the Conservative years (Thatcher/Heath) with Labour (Wilson/Callaghan) the number of mines closed and miners unemployed was a similar number.

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/l...-mines-2401926

Quote:

ween 1963 and 1979, Labour governments closed a total of 303 collieries. Successive Conservative governments shut 162 mines. Even the left-of-centre Energy Minister, Tony Benn, recognised the economic argument and closed more coal mines than Margaret Thatcher and Michael Heseltine put together.

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I haven't been mislead by anyone, recycled Westminster money has been coming to the area via the EU to be wasted on vanity projects.

You mean we wont have any more "once in a lifetime", "One-off" Objective one funding to lift us out of poverty for a fourth time.

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No I am not knocking him for that at all - rubbish.

I am knocking him because he professes to care about the poor but has a salary over 5 times the average UK Salary. The man is a joke, has been all his life, supporting the wrong side, policies which would weaken the UK.

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Nicely done - quote from a source that is Anti-Tory, pro Labour, jeez, the shock, I got to lie down. :dozey:

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The Misinformation king, accusing others of being misled, so hilarious. :rolleyes:

The EU is not a safety net and never has been - and for the 1928384858558th time, the EU does use it's own funds, it's not their money to do any funding with, you can comprehend can't you and understand that we, are a massive net contributor, so what we pay to them, we do not get back, we get some back so in essence that is OUR money they have been handing back, only they have the gall to inform us what our money should be spent on.

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Mick can you advise the income/savings thresholds at which you are no longer allowed to care about the poor? Just want to check I'm within the limits.

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You are not running for office, for a major party, with policies attacking successful millionaire & billionaire business men, who bring prosperity to this country and more importantly, jobs, so your question is irrelevant.

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On a more different note....

BREAKING: Liberal Democrats and SNP lose their High Court case against ITV. Debate will go ahead tomorrow without them.

That is a real crying shame. NOT.

Good, I dunno who these Illiberal Undemocrats think they are, running to the courts all the time because they don't get their own way.

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Yes I think that's good news too, the more Boris is on national TV, the better ;)

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Even with a large reduction in miners, they managed to sustain output levels. A move away from coal for energy generation and cheap imports from Russia and Poland did the rest.


Anyway.
Link

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He has been all over the news last few weeks - every poll shows a boost. Now you know my stance on polling, it doesn't necessitate an accurate picture but practically every poll has him well ahead of the Marxist and Racist Anti-Semitic party.

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The undemocrats are going backwards as well which can't be bad.

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Including this one! :D

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And People's vote is said to be on the verge of collapse. Happy days. :cleader:

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Not sure how the SNP can claim a right to have a place in these debates, when they are standing in and represent so little of the UK.

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Attitudes like that will see Scotland leave the UK.

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It is a fact that they only represent a small portion of the UK. The issue is about UK national debates, not Scottish local ones.

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... and the down side of that is?

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Not sure why you wasted your effort here. Of course the current strategy is away from fossil fuel energy production.

The reply was specifically addressed at an attempt at misinformation ..

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I already addressed your claim of misinformation.

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/l...-mines-2401926

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coal_m...United_Kingdom

Hardly a great deal in it. The true answer to "Who made more miners redundant Conservative or Labour" is of course Arthur Scargill.

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Again, you quote mine numbers and not actual employed miners ...

Interesting, your Wales Online article was written by a certain Tory politician who served as Secretary of State for Wales. He also seems to be the same individual who is in a bit of bother: Boris Johnson urged to ditch Alun Cairns as an election candidate

Definitely a reliable source .. :)

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I do fear for places like Wales post Brexit. Scotland have a possible escape route, but not so it seems the Principality. Along with the North of England and SW, the EU insurance against a right wing Govt. starving these areas of investment will be gone. Workers rights will be slashed, major employers will leave and any investment channeled to the SE. It's storing up long term trouble, division and eventual break up of the UK. I don't think that's what folks voted for. They need to have a think when they vote again.

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Yes, like Wales is doing so well under Labour. :rolleyes:

If you talk about investment, you need to recognise that Labour policy will have investors ditching Britain and taking their money elsewhere. If Labour spend huge sums on investment, it will bankrupt the country, so we will have little to show for it.

The best hope for Wales is a Conservative government, and no, they won't starve Wales of investment if they win more seats in Wales, of course they won't. You have no evidence that they will 'slash workers' rights' either. They have already said they want to improve workers' rights, so you appear to be spouting old prejudices rather than basing your opinions on facts that you can justify in 2019.

As for the break-up of the UK, I think that is far more likely under ditherer Comrade Corbyn.

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The National Assembly has little power. Wales has had a Conservative govt. for 10 years like the rest of us, hence the issues they and the rest of the UK have.