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Thank-you kindly sir, but to be honest I want Ireland to win it and no-one else. :D

But if its a toss-up between France and Wales, then hopefully Wales take it. :D

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Looks like the England management are unhappy with the result and may take a complaint to the IRB.

Linky

And the refs reply.

Linky

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that does England no favours at all, they were beaten by a team who played better than they did, on the day - bet they would have kept quiet if any dubious decisions had been in their favour.

Ireland simply had more passion & belief, their backs had a superb game - England made too many unforced errors & were punished for it. Wingeing about the referee isn't going to change that. :(

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Oops, looks like Robinsons whining has landed him in the crapper.

Linky

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Glad to see it.

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I suppose this should be in the jokes thread but it deserves to be here.:D



Courtroom drama custody ruling.

7 Year Old Challenges Judge

A seven year old boy was at the centre of a courtroom drama today when he
challenged a court ruling over who should have custody of him.
The boy has a history of being beaten by his parents and the judge awarded
custody to his aunt.
The boy however confirmed that his aunt beat him more than his parents,
and refused to live there. When the judge suggested that he live with his
grandparents the boy cried out that they beat him more than anyone.

Then in an unprecedented move, the judge dramatically allowed the boy to choose who should have custody of him.
In a final ruling yesterday, custody was granted to the England Rugby Team
as the boy firmly believes that they are not capable of beating anyone.

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Well I have to say that todays match between Ireland and France was a real upset.

In my heart I knew this was gonna be difficult, but France finally played as we all remember them doing in previous years.

First half was shocking, Franch dominated the forward play including the line-outs and scrums. Their mauls where incredible, and the French backs where all over Ireland when Ireland did try to spread the ball wide.

Saying that.....

The 15 - 20 minute phase Ireland had in the second half, was prolly the best they have played in this Championship so far. Driscos' try way lovely, and if I was gay I'd prolly want to marry him. ;)

Now it all comes down to Scotland beating Wales tomorrow, and thats as likely as me winning the lottery.

:bigcry:

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I have to agree with you there :D

But I still say the decider wil be next weekend.

Never mind though, we can all just sit back and enjoy England winning their latest prize.....the wooden spoon :D :clap: :angel:

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Looks like the England rugby team won't be needing a new cutlery draw...


England 39-7 Italy

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Must be nice/refreshing/relieving to get at least one win this year :D

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Woopee do as England have said to us Welshies many a time you beat the only team in the pool and then restore your pride.

I think not, Italy are there for the wooden spoon so that the **** poor teams have at least someone to beat.

England would have had the same score today or possibly less if the other sides 15 had not walked out onto the pitch.

No class, no determination.

:D

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Marvellous day, defeat for Ireland by France, superb game, French played like masters from the start, Ireland outplayed.

England's defeat over Italy was a welcome break from the long line of defeats since last year, Italy however, did not play their best. Hopefully, this almost new England team led by, man of the match, Martin Corry is great, Cueto superb, all the team did well. Perhaps now the team will build on this success and climb back up to more successes in the future.

Keep an eye on rising talent, England U21 & U19 teams are performing very well.

:)

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Now where's the fun in that?? :D

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Ah yes, you see it's all fun, sport is fun.

Over the last ten years, England have won the Six Nations 5 times :) , France 4 :) and Scotland once, although of course the contest goes back to 1882. Wales after all has been in the duldrums for a long time and are now in top form, that's life, England in 2004 were really down and now appear to be moving again, yes, this year we, it appears are finished with any chance in the Six Nations even if we defeat Scotland, which is now likely. But next year could be, shall we say, a new ball game! If England keep this momentum up the Six Nations next year may well be in our grasp.

The England team now looks good, there is at last effort, strategy and committment :).

:D

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Erm we have one how many games since last year? One match does not a new team make. Until Englands' rugby team start going back to basics, concentrate on their own game and not keep relying on one or two players to kick the game for them we will continue to be beaten by teams that we should be pushing to the very limit if not beating. To be honest until our rugby side stops it's habit of focusing it's entire strategy book around JW etc we will carry on losing and we will carry on being humiliated by scorelines that re-inforce our weaknesses.

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Wow, I'll compliment the English team on one thing, they make the transition from heros to zeros in the space of 18 months look like an art form :D

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How many years did it take the Welsh to reverse their trend then ;) :p: If you stop the English bashing we'll stop the Welsh bashing. Otherwise people might start thinking that overtly racist comments made by Forum Team members are the norm :dozey: :angel:

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Ohh, about 20 years?

People will bash us taffies no matter what, the difference is we're long used to it by now :D

How can I be racist if the comments are about the English? :D

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Let's be positive. JW has been out of England contests for a long time now and I think the players know this. The team's performance yesterday outclassed previous contests and failure. This is almost a new team the Corry heads and I think if you consider the fact that this time the game showed England players had strategy, tactics, committment and performance that result proved it. One now looks forward to the England & Scottish game due next.

I enjoy rugby union no matter the team playing. Credit must be given to the Welsh team who have done very well.


:)

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I really hope Wales go all the way to the Grand Slam, this year, as Gogogo said, Union is a wonderful game, no matter which team plays. (I'm biased because I used to play Rugby at School (even for the school, once ;) ) ).

I remember the Welsh team of the early 70's - Gareth Edwards, JPR Williams, etc, they were truly awesome to watch, it will be nice if the likes of Gavin Henson, etc, will be spoken of with the same reverence.

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Well I'm all ready, Welsh rugby shirt on......oh the tension!!!!! :D
(Think I'll do the ironing while I'm watching - it will save my figernails from a chewing :disturbd: )

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Half time - and it's Scotland 3 Wales 38! :Yikes:
Hope they haven't peaked too soon :D Not got much ironing done either ;)

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The Scotland & Wales game was very exciting. Scotland's poor performance in the first half was more than made up for in the second, the Welsh team looked very worried in the second half. A good game.


England will beat Scotland when they meet.


:)

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Final score 22 - 46 to Wales - I thought Russ would have posted the result by now - perhaps he's down the pub celebrating already! :hyper:

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brilliant game :tu:

fantastic performance by Wales in the first half, their backs really 'clicked' & the handling was a joy to watch.

brilliant fight back by Scotland in the second half, at some points it almost looked like they had been inspired by some of the Welsh moves, earlier.

I also thought the referee contributed to keeping the game flowing, the speed with which the second phase ball was coming out, I felt was largely due to his constant nagging at the defending team to keep their hands out of the ruck.

Next week is going to be not for the faint hearted, the Irish will want revenge after being beaten by France - and Wales have the Grand Slam to go for - can't wait :tu:

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Ohhh you bet I was :D :D :D

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Well, according to the news at luch today, Ireland need to beat Wales by 13 clear point on Saturday. Well, nothing like an uphill struggle to get the Irish fired up. (Fingers Crossed).

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Being as objective as possible, I can't see that happening. You may well get away with a win (even though I'd put money on that not happening if I was a betting man!) but given our resurgence, I can't see a 13-point gap opening up.

So for those who tire of my blatant nationalist rantings, don't be around on saturday :D

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Still the French to worry about as well remember.

If Ireland beat Wales, but not by 13+ points, then France can win it by putting a mountain of points up over Italy. 53 if Ireland beat Wales by 1 point.

If Ireland do beat Wales by 13 points then the French need to beat Italy by 42 points to win it.

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Again, semantics - given Wales' recent form I really can't see that happening, but stranger things have ocurred. For example who'd have thought England would go from World Champions to 6 Nation also-rans in the space of 18 months? (Sorry, couldn't help myself there :D)

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Well considering the spanking Ireland gave them in the Six Nations last year, so soon after winning the World Cup. :D

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Thanks for softening them up :D

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Always a pleasure to help our celtic brothers. ;) :D

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Nice!

Say, if Ireland or Wales win, do you think we'll get pages and pages dedicated to us in the national newspapers? Or even headline news? :angel:

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A Prayer For Saturday -

Our Father, who art in Millennium,

Hwyl be thy name.

Thy Grand slam come,

Tries will be done,

By Jones, Peel and Williams.

Give us this day our bread of heaven

And forgive us our offside,

As we ruck those who trespass against us.

And lead us not into bad discipline.

But deliver us from England.

For Wales is the kingdom, the Dragon and the Daffodil. For ever and ever.

Amen

:D

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Doubt it.

You know what the English are like, small article saying they got beaten, massive article slagging of the national team. While trying to iniatiate a witch-hunt against the coaching staff. :rolleyes:

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Come the day
And come the hour
Come the power and the glory
We have come to answer
Our country's call...
From the four proud provinces of Ireland

Chorus

Ireland, Ireland
Together standing tall
Shoulder to shoulder
We'll answer Ireland's call.

From the mighty
Glens of Antrim
From the rugged hills of Galway
From the walls of Limerick
And Dublin Bay
From the four proud provinces of Ireland

(chorus)

Hearts of steel
And heads unbowing
Vowing never to be broken
We will fight, until
We can fight no more...
For the four proud provinces of Ireland.

(chorus)

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Go on the LADS IN GREEN.

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Fair warning for you all - if we win tomorrow I am going to be absolutely unbearable :D

If we lose.......ah well :(

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Practice your kicking here in preparation for Wales' glorious victory tomorrow!

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nah, you aren't going to put me off - I'm still going to support Wales :p: :)

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OK, here we go. England & Scotland will battle for the Calcutta Cup from 6PM. Martin Corry's team is keen to get stuck in, be on the attack and get those points, let's hope this will result in a resounding defeat for the Scottish team but it may not be easy.


:)

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Wales ROCK and if they win I am going to be insufferable for a month :)

If they loose not only will I :bigcry: but I will be insufferable for TWO months.
Sian:angel:

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:erm: so what's new in that? Thought you were notifying us of a possible change in attitude..... :p: ;)

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:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: handbags at 5 paces ?? come on the lads :tu:

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Good luck to BOTH sides...

But I will be secretly egging on Wales due to being Welsh by marriage.... ;)


Just don't go on about it for the next 30 years...Oh no that's the English that do that as that's how long it takes between successes... :D

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You WILL notice the difference! :D

Awww man there is such a buzz in Wales today :D

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Well my granny was from Wales so gonna be shouting for them today much as I love the Irish :erm:

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Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh..... ............

Sodding tv has just died.

Right before the match. :mad: :bigcry: :bigcry: :bigcry: :bigcry: :bigcry:

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Come on Wales!!!!!!!!!! :D
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10-3!!!! Come on!!!!

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16-3!!! :D

If nobody has posted it yet, you can watch the whole match online here:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport/ :)

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Come on boyos, we can do this!!!!!

Don't crap out now!!
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Feed me till I want no more!!!!!

22-6!!!!

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Woooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!

Wales are back!!!

:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:

:hyper: :hyper: :hyper: :hyper: :hyper:


Wele'n sefyll rhwng y myrtwydd
Wrthddrych teilwng o fy mryd
Er o'r braidd 'rwy'n Ei adnabod
Ef uwchlaw gwrthrychau'r byd
Henffych fore!
Caf ei weled fel y mae.
Rhosyn Saron yw Ei enw
Gwyn a gwridog, hardd Ei bryd!
Ar ddeng mil y mae'n rhagori
O wrthddrychau penna'r byd
Ffrind pechadur!
Dyma'r llywydd ar y mor.

Beth sydd imi mwy a wnelwyf
Ag eilunod gwael y llawr?
Tystio 'r wyf nad yw eu cwmni
I'w gymharu a'm Iesu Mawr.
O! am aros
Yn Ei gariad ddyddiau f'oes

Well done to Ireland, you certainly did not make it easy!

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Woohoo!
:D :D :D

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well done both teams, fantastic game, Irelands fight back in the last quarter pegged Wales back, a bit, but they resisted the pressure magnificently.:cool:

I imagine there may be a few parties in Wales, tonight - have a virtual :beer: on me :tu:

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There are gonna be some sore heads tomorrow :D

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Congratulations Wales, the better team won.

Now wheres the whiskey, so I can blot out that terrible Irish performance?

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I now look forward to all the sunday papers dedicating whole segments of their publications to the team, with a centre pull-out of them celebrating.

Perhaps New Year's honours for the whole team was well? How about BBC Sportsman of the Year for Gavin Henson?

Ahhh yes, sorry, it was Wales, not England wasn't it......

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Ain't that the truth. :dozey:

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Well lets hope so Wales deserve all the press they can get now.

:D

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We won, I have a headache :) I watched the repeat specially for the Welsh viewers as well :) Way to go boys. !!!

Sian

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Personally I hope that Welsh Rughby gets the coverage in the national press that they rightly deserve. The Welsh team played a blinding championship, and now have to be considered ''The'' team to beat.

Without a doubt, a large portion of the Lions Team for the New Zealand tour will be Welsh.

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Guess who Wales get to play in their first match in the 2006 Six Nations? ;)
BBC

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Nice find mate. :tu:

I'll have to see about arranging tickets for all three of Irelands home matches next season. :D

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I just got back from Hong Kong, where the 7's World Cup was on. Also saw the Wales v Ireland game there, and it was a superb win and well-desreved.

Congratulations Taffs, and congrats also to Fiji for wiping the smiles off of the faces of those smug Kiwi ****s who gloated over England's defeat!

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Ahhhhh, but dont forget the Fiji specialise at Sevens, and are thus very hard to beat.

I missed the highlights of the Sevens on HK on tv last week, bummer. :( :dozey:

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You missed a feast of top notch rugby. Yes, Fiji are pretty much impossible to beat, but England took them to extra time after missing a last second kick that would have beaten them.

The only "unfriendly" bunch there? The NZ fans... one even made a squeaking sound to his pals, claiming it was the sound of "the wheels coming off the f***ing chariot"! Still, what goes around comes around... Fiji just wiped the floor with them, and laughed while they did it.

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Lets face it were screwed!!!!! Poor old England!!!!

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We'll be back. The sevens guys are doing great, but the XV are a bit off form. But hey, it's still the world champions we're talking about here!

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Yeah but there is no Johnny, were screwed I tell you screwed!!!!

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Sp. ;)

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RU is in a right old state.

They've had to resort to nicking Andy Farrell from RL, but Farrell is close to 30. He's only gone to RU to continue his career a bit longer becuase it's an easier game.

They nick RL players and RL coaches. RL is the biggest growth sport at amateur level.

Instead of trying to promote RU and bring talent from within the RFUs answer is to try ans steal from the other code.

Very sad.

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hmmm pot-kettle-black...

What happened when RL went pro and RU was still amateur...

I don't think RU is that bad actually. When you look at the lack of experience* in the England side at them moment. They are learning and should be a much better side come next year.

oh yes and well done wales :clap::clap:

Scarlett.

* we lost nearly half the world cup team to retirement and then the injury list during the six nations took most of the others. so rather than the few under experienced players on a team of experienced players we a had a few experienced players in a team of inexperieneced players... next year they will be better.

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Get ready for another spanking - this time on your home turf ;) :D

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You are very wrong. There is a lot of rising talent in RU. The England U21, U19 teams are showing good talent, which is rising in RU.

:erm:
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Enjoy your festivities, you may need to wait another 27 years to win again. The England team is now on a winning roll.


:D

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It just makes me laugh that most people in RU circles and RU supporters always belittle RL and look at it as the B'stard son of RU.

But in the same breath they happy to use the skills and techniques of RL coaches and nick RL players (smacks of desperation).

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Maybe you Saesnegs will have to wait just as long :D

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:Yikes:
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Are but is League really Rugby, all that's needed in League is sprinting!

:D

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League is a harder, more physical game; union is more skilful and tactical. I've played both (league as "training" method) and union was my preference... but then I was one of the backs!

England may be on a roll, but that's not hard against Scotland and Italy. Wales are in the ascendence, but have yet to be really tested. In two years time, who knows what the picture will be.

However, if you want to see REAL rugby at a high level, watch the Super 12 then the tri-nations. Check out the current South Africa team - my tip for the next World Cup. Then England will benefit, as they retire them young and some will inevitably end up over here. Look at Skinstad, Krige, Vos etc... mark my words, Springboks are the guys to watch!

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I used to play for my old school, which no longer exists, now a luxury hotel, and have been a coach for a school team, at a school in Zimbabwe, which no longer exists: when I think of the two, union demands intelligent play, it's a thinking game, needs strategy and very it's physical. But I don't want to encourage the which is better debate but rugby union is as far as I know is the tougher game of the two.

As for England's future, the team has had problems, there is now virtually a new team, the victories against Italy & Scotland are building blocks. I agree the problems will be from the southern hemisphere and that England cannot afford to relax but keep practising and who knows?


:)

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http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugb...al/4439621.stm

Such sour grapes - you can be sure it wouldn't happen to the England side :D

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Gotta agree with you 100% there Russ, rather a disgraceful attitude to be taken by Premier Rugby Limited.

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You know i'd like rugby alot more if there was more of this. :naughty:


https://www.cableforum.co.uk/images/...2005/05/11.jpg

Lions on Tour
 

Does anyone know what time the match between Bay of Plenty and the Lions kicks off at tomorrow? Skys coverage starts at 7:30am but it doesn't say what time the match starts at. Don't want to get up any earlier than I have to!

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Kick-off is at 8:10 ;)

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Set the alarm for 8:09 then :)

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Wilkinson at 12 instead of Henson?
No Williams in the 22?
No Shanklin in the 22?
Greenwood and Dawson both in the 22?
No Murphy?

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Wilkinson has been picked at 12 to counter the unbelievable talent that is Richie McCaw at openside.


McCaw has made a career of destroying an oppoisitions play by targeting the stand off, reducing his game to punts at best. With Jones at 10 and Wilkinson at 12, you have two genuine fly halfs enabling you to go open or blind, and pull the NZ pack around, allowing Peel to snipe through the middle.

By the way, I would be very suprised in Robinson plays full back for the whole game - he may wear 15 but he and Lewsy will exchange positions constantly to change the angles of attack.

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I cannot see the point of this Lions team as I'd much rather see individual countries playing each other.

To me, this is a bit like an all-Europe team doing a tour of Brazil, playing a few clubs and then playing Brazil. So what.

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Yeah - it's nicer when Wales doesn't have to share the glory with others :D

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Well that was embarrassing.

Maybe the next test Woodward will stick to what he said at the start of the tour and pick the team on form, not on reputation.

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Here's my 5 pennurth for what it's worth. I'm a big admirer of Shane Williams he's the type of player that I would pay money to see. Having watched him for years with Neath and then the Ospreys I was worried if he'd cope with people like Rococokko and the new sensation Rico Gear (watch Super12s and you know who I mean) he (Gear) can't even get in the test 22. It was the physical side I thought might be a problem for Shane.

As regards the Henson issue if you listen to SCW's arguement how Peel and Jones played against the French in the 6 nations then it would have made sense to play Henson at 12. I think Jonny W didn't have enough match practice before he went although I must say some of his tackling on Saturday showed he wasn't afraid of getting stuck in.

The main issue was the front 5 no ball no can play, line out a shambles. It still amazes me that in the professional era with all the practice done on throwing in we could not win any decent lineout ball. I still think the test team (or the majority of them) should have had a runout every Saturday before the test. Been watching the 97 Lions to South Africa under Ian McGeechan what a difference.

I want to the beat the AB's but now it will be 200% more difficult after losing the first test. Solution don't know Mike Ruddock is due out in NZ soon if I were him I'd stay at home and get a tan

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It could have been, and I also think he lacks a bit with his defensive game, but when you're 21 points down you need a player like Williams who can change a game. He should have at least be on the bench as plan B, but its painfully obvious that there was no plan B.

I was impressed by Wilko's tackling, some of this kicking left a lot to be desired.

The lineout was a complete shambles, it seemed like a lot of players didn't know what the call was, and when Byrne threw in too early which gifted NZ an easy try it was diabolical.

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I'm not one to ask for the Welsh XV to play for the Lions. Reason it's a Grand Slam after one season nest year will show if this side are any good. In 1971 there were a lot of good English Duckham Pullin Irish WJM Mike Gibson and a few Scots as well. SCW's comment that this was the best prepared side may be correct but without a plan on how you're going to play either the kicking game or run it wide being well prepared means absolutley nothing. Much as he was a pain the a**e they are missing a Martin Johnson type of player/character to lead from the front.

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I agree with what your saying about the lineout situation. You would have thought that the players out there with all the time they have had to practice could throw a ball to their own player (I know its not as simple as that!).

Hopefully that defeat will give them a kick up the backside and get them into gear for the next match where i hope Clive Woodward learns from his mistake of playing players out of position, or not their prefered position (Wilkinson at centre instead of No 10 and Robinson at fullback instead of on the wing).

It wont help loosing Hill, O'driscoll and Grewcock (What was he thinking :nutter:)

We will just have to hope for the best :)

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Grewcock got done when England were out there before(2 years ago not in the world cup) You have to have your hardmen in the pack but to do something stupid like that and get caught nuff said. The words TV cameras come to mind!!!duh

This morning's game is not going to change much Robinson off at half time?? no idea why, Shane Williams plays full game no idea why.

See the ABs have picked Mr Gear for Saturday if he gets the ball look out. As someone said it's going to be a bumpy ride

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Manawatu 6-109 Lions :Yikes:

What was the point? This doesnt tell us anything except that Manawatu are an awful side. Surely it would have been better for everbody if the Lions faced a half decent side so we could see which players are in form and are good enough to face the all blacks.

A total waste of time IMO!

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Dunno what calls they have in professional rugby probably a lot. When I played rugby our lineout call was pretty simple. It was "**** the pig". **** would be to the back of the lineout, the to the middle and pig to the front. We would usually put them in 3 letter calls with the middle letter corresponding to one of the words in the call. So if the ball was to be thrown to the middle the call would be something like "AEZ" or "WUK" would be to the back of the line out.
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They are by far the weakest side of the tour so far.

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Our lineout calls were similar. We used to use the letters from AND and make a word from the letter we used. A-Front, N-middle and D-back. We then said either green - tap down to scrum half or red - maul, after it. So it would be something like Niargra Green. It was very simple but effective. ;)


I just dont see how they cannot do it properly? It mite be that they are using too many calls which can be confusing (as we found out) or something, but they need to sort it out before the next match otherwise the series maybe over too soon. :(

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Why do I get a sneaky feeling SCW is not going to pick Shane Williams!! Heard a rumour Mike Ruddock is not going out there now....can't blame him really

Yes that side was very poor this morning Ryan Jones said he spent the first week learning the line out calls says it all really